On the most important issues of our day, McCain has been totally in agreement with Bush

[motivez]

Despite McCain's recent attempt to distance himself from the policies of George W. Bush, on every important issue of our day, McCain has been totally in agreement and supportive of President Bush.

Think I'm wrong? Disagree with me? Well, then you'd be disagreeing with the very person you're trying to defend. John McCain.

MR. RUSSERT: And what people point to -- and this is an article in your hometown paper, the Arizona Republic, "At Odds With Bush. John McCain repeatedly has taken maverick positions that have put him at odds with President Bush's administration" . . . . The fact is you are different than George Bush.

SEN. McCAIN: No. No. I -- the fact is that I'm different but the fact is that I have agreed with President Bush far more than I have disagreed. And on the transcendent issues, the most important issues of our day, I've been totally in agreement and support of President Bush. So have we had some disagreements on some issues, the bulk -- particularly domestic issues? Yes. But I will argue my conservative record voting with anyone's, and I will also submit that my support for President Bush has been active and very impassioned on issues that are important to the American people.

Transcript for June 19 - Meet the Press, online at MSNBC - MSNBC.com



This will make an excellent campaign commercial that shows why Obama is right when he talks about McCain running for Bush's third term.

And, no matter how hard McCain tries to distance himself, all any American wanting to know the truth has to do is listen to the man's own words and look at his voting record.

John McCain. Fiercely independent. Except for the fact that he's totally in agreement with Bush on the most important issues of our day.

[JaJae]

Foot in mouth. This is not going to him in the election when Obama repeats five times a day until November. All the other candidates were smart enough to separate themselves from Bush when they were running. I think this is only going to hurt him.

[TankRizzo]

...and, against all odds, Bush won re-election in '04. I think you take the marching orders of liberal centers like LA and NY and putting way too much importance on them. "Anyone but Bush" didn't work in '04, if you want to go down that road again, I implore you to do so.

[Rouger2]

To many people what the candidates say and do will not mean a thing. Most conservatives will vote for McCain no matter what and most liberals will vote for Obama, but right now I have a feeling that the anti war sentiment will put Obama over the top.

[motivez]

Originally Posted by TankRizzo

...and, against all odds, Bush won re-election in '04. I think you take the marching orders of liberal centers like LA and NY and putting way too much importance on them. "Anyone but Bush" didn't work in '04, if you want to go down that road again, I implore you to do so.

This is hardly "Anyone but Bush" .. People are VERY excited about voting for Obama, and against McCain.. They don't want Bush's 3rd term.

Republicans aren't excited at all about McCain's candidacy.

[TankRizzo]

Originally Posted by motivez

This is hardly "Anyone but Bush" .. People are VERY excited about voting for Obama, and against McCain.. They don't want Bush's 3rd term.

Republicans aren't excited at all about McCain's candidacy.

McCain is NOT going to be a 3rd term for Bush, you can put up catty arguments that don't hold much water like this, but McCain actually has a record to back up his differences. Sure, there are some similarities, but he's far from being a 3rd term for bush...but then again, Bush won in '04, so

...and as much as republicans aren't keen on McCain, they'll take him over Obama, so I don't think rallying the base is going to be all that hard.

[motivez]

How is it not when he has been in total agreement with Bush on the major issues of our day?

McCain represents a continuation of Bush's policies. That's a third term for Bush's ideas.

[motivez]

Now in video form:

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[TankRizzo]

Originally Posted by motivez

How is it not when he has been in total agreement with Bush on the major issues of our day?

McCain represents a continuation of Bush's policies. That's a third term for Bush's ideas.

He has an actual history of reaching across party lines, Obama has the most liberal voting record in the senate. Again, if you want to go down the Bush road again, don't let me stand in your way.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by TankRizzo

Obama has the most liberal voting record in the senate.

That study has been shown to be way off.

Lately John and I have been gnashing our collective teeth every time we see one of the Republican shills on TV repeating, mantra-like, the #1 GOP Big Lie of the campaign: “Barack Obama is the most liberal member of the U.S. Senate.”
If only! Actually there are 39 Democrats with more liberal voting records, although Obama does at least beat perennial Bush rubber stamps Holy Joe Lieberman (CT), Ben Nelson (NE) and Mary Landrieu (LA). His voting record– however you slice it, however you dice it– points to a solidly mainstream centrist– and, to be honest, considerably less liberal than… sssshhhhhhh… Hillary.
So how do CNN, CBS, ABC and NBC all allow the paid GOP shills to get away with their Big Lie? Good question. There’s one cooked up National Journal “study” that these clowns keep referring to– yes the same cloddish National Journal that criticized its own ranking of John Kerry as “the most liberal senator” in 2004.
This year, their utterly meaningless ranking system, ready-made for Republican smear attacks, defined “liberal” as members who voted, on January 18, to establish a Senate Office of Public Integrity to handle ethics complaints against senators. Given the Republican Culture of Corruption that still rules the Beltway, that may be anti-Republican, but what makes it “liberal?” Similarly anyone who agreed in mid-March to the final passage of a bill implementing the 9/11 Commission’s Homeland Security recommendations, is suddenly “liberal?” And on May 9, Obama joined many other senators in voting to block individuals from serving on Food and Drug Administration drug advisory panels if they have conflicts of interest.
Let’s hope more Americans start defining liberal this way. Because to me this all sounds very mainstream, even if John “W” McCain was on the wrong side of each vote.

Crooks and Liars » Anatomy of a Right Wing Myth: Obama is the most liberal Democratic Senator


I know this won't stop people from repeating it ad nauseum, but saying something over and over doesn't make it true.

[TankRizzo]

Originally Posted by Scrum

That study has been shown to be way off.

Crooks and Liars » Anatomy of a Right Wing Myth: Obama is the most liberal Democratic Senator


I know this won't stop people from repeating it ad nauseum, but saying something over and over doesn't make it true.

He wants to raise taxes and give it to the poor and he wants a form of universal healthcare....that's liberal enough for me.

[motivez]

Originally Posted by TankRizzo

He has an actual history of reaching across party lines, Obama has the most liberal voting record in the senate. Again, if you want to go down the Bush road again, don't let me stand in your way.

He cut and run from his history of bi-partisanship and independence from the far right wing of the party in order to secure the Republican nomination.

[motivez]

Originally Posted by TankRizzo

He wants to raise taxes and give it to the poor and he wants a form of universal healthcare....that's liberal enough for me.

But is it the most liberal? No.

I said it in another thread, but it seems like whoever the Democrats end up nominating seems to turn out to be the "most liberal X"

It's a talking point.

[TankRizzo]

Originally Posted by motivez

But is it the most liberal? No.

I said it in another thread, but it seems like whoever the Democrats end up nominating seems to turn out to be the "most liberal X"

It's a talking point.

...and this isn't?

Originally Posted by motivez

He cut and run from his history of bi-partisanship and independence from the far right wing of the party in order to secure the Republican nomination.

[motivez]

No, that's just a fact. "Cut and run" is using the Republican terminology against them of course, but it's still a fact. McCain has shifted himself far to the right of where his moderate, independent, and bi-partisan positions were in order to secure the nomination

You can see it in statements like the one he made about being in total agreement and support of President Bush on the most important issues of our day.

[TankRizzo]

Originally Posted by motivez

No, that's just a fact. "Cut and run" is using the Republican terminology against them of course, but it's still a fact. McCain has shifted himself far to the right of where his moderate, independent, and bi-partisan positions were in order to secure the nomination

You can see it in statements like the one he made about being in total agreement and support of President Bush on the most important issues of our day.

He's still done plenty to criticize Bush as well. It's all rhetoric.

[Dumpy Dooby]

If he's making two statements that contradict themselves, why would you make a solid conclusion one way or another? The only intellectually honest conclusion is that McCain is contradicting himself in regards to siding with Bush. The next step would be to ask him to clarify himself and resolve the inconsistency.

[motivez]

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

If he's making two statements that contradict themselves, why would you make a solid conclusion one way or another? The only intellectually honest conclusion is that McCain is contradicting himself in regards to siding with Bush. The next step would be to ask him to clarify himself and resolve the inconsistency.

Who are you saying this to?

[Dumpy Dooby]

Originally Posted by motivez