Al Gore is a raging hypocrite.

[Dylith]

I don't expect Al Gore to have the energy consumption levels of an average house hold.

Even if he is being rather hypocritical here it still doesn't mean that what he has been preaching isn't true, it just means that he isn't being the change that he wishes to see in the world.

It would be nice though and add more weight to what he was saying if he truely lived by what he was preaching, and perhaps he actually is. I don't really know much about his home situation though, and I personally am not really interested enough to bother looking further into it.

[IminWonderland]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Nobody is asking for him to pick through his shit for seeds and live in the mountains or anything crazy. All people are saying is if he's gonna run around the world and make millions off preaching to me that I need to change my lifestyle to reduce my energy usage, perhaps he shouldn't be as wasteful as he is and continue to become more wasteful in the process. It doesn't seem he's making any real attempt to do anything at all about his own carbon footprint until it's pointed out by Fox News. The fact that he can be so blatantly wasteful and arrogant about his own energy consumption while preaching to me is hypocritical.

There are a lot of people who support the environmental movement. That's fine. I would like a cleaner earth too. But as soon as you start preaching to me about my lifestyle you better show that you have made any amount of commitment regarding your life. Otherwise you're a hypocrite. Do as I say, not as I do mentality.

John McCain served his country honorably and became disabled. The fact that people are saying a 70+ year old disabled man should go to war because he supports Iraq is absolutely absurd. Saying that a healthy, wealthy man should show consideration for his impact on the environment while he's raking in millions off preaching about it isn't. And even if you believe they are comparable, two wrongs don't make a right.

No, of course two wrongs don't make it right. But I think that there are alot of facets in this country that have a hard on for Al Gore, and will nit pick him on anything that they can.

It's an electric bill. Should we all be judged by our bills?

[Dylith]

Originally Posted by lew

This is why he's a douche bag

YouTube Video

That doesn't bother me at all, a lot of educational videos and programs use computer generated shots. As long as what he is saying is true.

[IminWonderland]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Yeah, it would be cool to live in tents, have no written language and be in a constant state of war with other tribes. Times were better then.

I think I was talking about their respect for the earth....which whitey has had none.

[Stylerod]

Just to piss off the lefties.

The 4,000-square-foot house is a model of environmental rectitude.

Geothermal heat pumps located in a central closet circulate water through pipes buried 300 feet deep in the ground where the temperature is a constant 67 degrees; the water heats the house in the winter and cools it in the summer. Systems such as the one in this "eco-friendly" dwelling use about 25% of the electricity that traditional heating and cooling systems utilize.

A 25,000-gallon underground cistern collects rainwater gathered from roof runs; wastewater from sinks, toilets and showers goes into underground purifying tanks and is also funneled into the cistern. The water from the cistern is used to irrigate the landscaping surrounding the four-bedroom home. Plants and flowers native to the high prairie area blend the structure into the surrounding ecosystem.

Now this is a "Green" home!

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

I think I was talking about their respect for the earth....which whitey has had none.

Do you know how some tribes hunted for Buffalo before "Whitey" gave them horses?

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

No, of course two wrongs don't make it right. But I think that there are alot of facets in this country that have a hard on for Al Gore, and will nit pick him on anything that they can.

It's an electric bill. Should we all be judged by our bills?

I think it depends. If I'm making millions off telling people to conserve water and changing their lifestyle to use less water... then I go ahead and use 20x what the average American uses, doesn't do anything for my home to reduce the water usage and then during the course of all this actually increase my water usage??? Yes I should be judged for such blatant hypocrisy. And the next person I walk up to and ask "Are you ready to change the way you live?" should turn around and call me a dumbass. The fact that someone would defend my actions because they too support conserving water to me shows that there's just as many facets in this country who have a hard on for defending environmentalists who are clearly in the wrong.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

It's an electric bill. Should we all be judged by our bills?

God I hope not. We have been using an 18 year old AC/Heat unit in our house that has been dying for 3-4 years. We just never wanted to spend the money to replace it. In the summer our electric bills were HUGE and our house still never went below 78 and the AC would run 24/7.

Finally replaced it with a high efficiency unit and now our hose stays cool and it seems to be off more than it runs.

I'll find out how much energy we saved next month.



Al Gore doesn't have to worry about money. He's a multi-millionaire and I would be willing to bet some alternative energy companies would pay HIM to put their stuff on his house. He just doesn't seem to think it's that important, obviously.

[IminWonderland]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Do you know how some tribes hunted for Buffalo before "Whitey" gave them horses?

Yeah, and if I remember right, they usually only took what they needed instead of the entire population to make boots.

[IminWonderland]

I think at the end of the day, this conflict between environmentalism and representations of conservation are going to catch up with everyone. There is a real movement right now for people to change the way they live, I would akin it to the social movements of the 60s.

And it's bigger than Al Gore, and it always has been. I do not look at him like he's the face of environmenality. I look at pictorial representations of what it means to think globally, and environmentally sound.

I think that this country is so great, we can be that country to really make a change in the way we live, and really spread it everywhere.

To think...for once, living with the earth, not just on it. I love it. And if his energy bill is that high, one day it will catch up to him.

But, these problems, and the issues, are alot larger than Al Gore.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

Yeah, and if I remember right, they usually only took what they needed instead of the entire population to make boots.

Some did. But others would cause a stampede and steer them towards a cliff where they would fall off a die. Sometimes it was impossible to use all that died because of how many fell to their deaths.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

I think at the end of the day, this conflict between environmentalism and representations of conservation are going to catch up with everyone. There is a real movement right now for people to change the way they live, I would akin it to the social movements of the 60s.

And it's bigger than Al Gore, and it always has been. I do not look at him like he's the face of environmenality. I look at pictorial representations of what it means to think globally, and environmentally sound.

I think that this country is so great, we can be that country to really make a change in the way we live, and really spread it everywhere.

To think...for once, living with the earth, not just on it. I love it. And if his energy bill is that high, one day it will catch up to him.

But, these problems, and the issues, are alot larger than Al Gore.

You are right. And I think a lot of good will come of it as well. But let's face it, even though it is bigger than Gore, he was the one who put himself in the middle and decided to be the spokesperson for the earth. He needs to walk the walk and not just talk the talk.

[IminWonderland]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Some did. But others would cause a stampede and steer them towards a cliff where they would fall off a die. Sometimes it was impossible to use all that died because of how many fell to their deaths.

Not bad. Sounds like our Health Insurance.

[lew]

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

I think I was talking about their respect for the earth....which whitey has had none.

Actually, the modern notion that Native Americans were great protectors of the Earth is a myth.


Native Americans routinely lit entire forests on fire for no reason. They would wipe out entire animal packs.


They weren't horrible anti-environmentalists, but neither were they this great nation of people that particularly took excellent care of the environment.

[IminWonderland]

Originally Posted by lew

Actually, the modern notion that Native Americans were great protectors of the Earth is a myth.


Native Americans routinely lit entire forests on fire for no reason. They would wipe out entire animal packs.


They weren't horrible anti-environmentalists, but neither were they this great nation of people that particularly took excellent care of the environment.

I think that if you compare their American landscape with ours, theirs was far more environmentally sound.

[lew]

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

I think that if you compare their American landscape with ours, theirs was far more environmentally sound.

Not originally.


When the English colonists first came here, they had an understanding of English property law. They were not abusive with the land. They were far less abusive than the Native Americans.


Only after the federal government grew and respect for private property diminish did the environment suffer.

[WickedLou9]

Originally Posted by lew

Not originally.


When the English colonists first came here, they had an understanding of English property law. They were not abusive with the land. They were far less abusive than the Native Americans.


Only after the federal government grew and respect for private property diminish did the environment suffer.

I had to read a book about that back in College

Amazon.com: Changes in the Land: Indians, Colonists and the Ecology of New England: William Cronon: Books

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by lew

Not originally.


When the English colonists first came here, they had an understanding of English property law. They were not abusive with the land. They were far less abusive than the Native Americans.


Only after the federal government grew and respect for private property diminish did the environment suffer.

And don't forget. Back then when there was a forest fire nothing could stop it. Fires could last for years and wipe out hundreds of square miles of forests. It's estimated we have more trees now then we did 1000 years ago because of being able to stop these fires.

[7960]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

So, what, everyone should sell thier homes and cars and live in huts?

He's essentially saying consumption is ruining the planet but JUST HIS HOUSE is consuming the same electricity as 22 other houses (I'm not including all the flying/driving/etc he does while promoting his apocalyptic message). If he honestly believed consumption was ruining the planet then maybe he'd stop consuming so much, hmm?

I mean if he decided to live in a small home in the suburbs you would say that he wasn't any better than anyone else and you would still call him a hipocrite.

No I wouldn't still call him a hypocrite. I'd say he's putting his money where his mouth is.