Al Gore is a raging hypocrite.

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Originally Posted by IminWonderland

No, of course two wrongs don't make it right. But I think that there are alot of facets in this country that have a hard on for Al Gore, and will nit pick him on anything that they can.

It's an electric bill. Should we all be judged by our bills?

If your message is "Twinkies are destroying the world!" and your grocery bill is full of Twinkies, yes you should be judged by your bill.

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Originally Posted by Stylerod

Just to piss off the lefties.




Now this is a "Green" home!

I did, but not many people are going to get that reference.

[7960]

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

Is that what Al Gore needs to do to be able to promote his causes?

No, but if his cause is reducing fossil fuel consumption he probably isn't sending a good message by consuming 20+ times what a normal home does.

So, wouldn't that mean for John McCain to promote wars, he should enlist?

Wow.

... but it makes me thing of people who are "important" and in their compounds people are usually UP all day long.

He has commented that he is all over promoting his cause and isn't there all that much.

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

Yeah we all know that he used to be enlisted.. but if he is for the war then shouldn't he get a gun and hop on a plane over to Iraq? What a hipocrite. The guy supports the war but won't fight in it.

He can't so this is kind of a stupid comparison.

But he did support his sons who enlisted and went.

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

Yeah, on morality this should be the goal.

We should have listened to the Native Americans, they totally saw this coming.

I love it when people form their opinions by watching Disney movies. The trees told Pocahontas this was going to happen!

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Originally Posted by IminWonderland

I think that if you compare their American landscape with ours, theirs was far more environmentally sound.

wtf is this? if you compare their landscape to ours? that's like comparing Mercury and Pluto........YOU CAN'T.

there were a few million indians at most, now there are 300M people with machines and technology and all that shit that's getting you on the internet right now. You're saying it was better then? You want to have kids in your early teens and die in your 40s?

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by 7960

wtf is this? if you compare their landscape to ours? that's like comparing Mercury and Pluto........YOU CAN'T.

there were a few million indians at most, now there are 300M people with machines and technology and all that shit that's getting you on the internet right now. You're saying it was better then? You want to have kids in your early teens and die in your 40s?

But, but, but. Nature, Tatanka, trees....

[IminWonderland]

With the massive immigration to this landscape, and living in the post-industrial age, I think that when I look at Abigail Adams photography, I am seeing a different America than we are seeing now.

And I wish we had that old America back. We have destroyed our landscape, and the air we breathe, and in the short time I have been on this planet, I get sun burnt in 10 mintes compared to the hour it used to take.

It's not a secret that our occupation on earth has consequences. We aren't just observivng ecosystems, we are part of them.

And if that is the message he is spreading, than preach on. (I, by the way, haven't seen his film, paid for his book, or really care about his endorements.) And I hope he changes his lightbulbs to energy saving ones.

Aside from that, I don't care to pinpoint one stamp of hypocrisy, when I have been living under it for years.

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Originally Posted by IminWonderland

With the massive immigration to this landscape, and living in the post-industrial age, I think that when I look at Abigail Adams photography, I am seeing a different America than we are seeing now.

Link me to some of these photos. I'm not finding what I'm guessing you're talk about.

And in the meantime here's the view off my parent's deck looking west



and from a plane about 200' over their house looking north



Wha'ts this Abigail Adams photography show?

And I wish we had that old America back.

And I'd rather not die from an everyday infection like they did in that old america, thanks.

We have destroyed our landscape,

I'm looking at two pictures that disagree. I can show you more from all over the country if you'd like.

... and in the short time I have been on this planet, I get sun burnt in 10 mintes compared to the hour it used to take.

that's because you're getting old, not because of anything to do with the atmosphere.

[IminWonderland]

Originally Posted by 7960

Link me to some of these photos. I'm not finding what I'm guessing you're talk about.

And in the meantime here's the view off my parent's deck looking west



and from a plane about 200' over their house looking north



Wha'ts this Abigail Adams photography show?


And I'd rather not die from an everyday infection like they did in that old america, thanks.

I'm looking at two pictures that disagree. I can show you more from all over the country if you'd like.

that's because you're getting old, not because of anything to do with the atmosphere.

Sorry I meant ANSEL Adams.

There is a representation of landscaping that feels so honest in the photography, but when I look outside my own window, I live under a light brown sky, and crap everywhere. So, when I refer back to the landscape and the era, there was a moment where things were, clean? We live in filth. I brush my teeth with toliet water. And we might boast that we live longer now, and that we have all these chemicals, and so one, but to me that is just a struggle of idealogies between the natural, and science.

In Walden by Thoreau he writes "Simplify, simplify." and I think that our country led the rest of the world into this current trend of excess, which has dire consequences. This is alot bigger than Al Gore, or Bill Clinton, or Bush. This is about a world 'en mass that is loosing touch with what it means to have things simple. But, I think this country can lead back to living life simply, in all facets.

Was it the best life? Maybe not for some, which is obviously why we have "progress." But, much like the hole in the ozone layer (which hasn't sealed up, but expanded) we are going to end up the products of our own demise. I don't expect to live my life never feeling tragedy. People die, I'm gonna die, children die, but this world has come to expect so much, with little work for what it has, that for some reason we act like we have a right to be here. If we want to survive, then we're going to have to learn to adapt to our surroundings. Instead of digging it up, blowing it up, and poisoning it.

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Originally Posted by IminWonderland

There is a representation of landscaping that feels so honest in the photography, but when I look outside my own window, I live under a light brown sky, and crap everywhere. So, when I refer back to the landscape and the era, there was a moment where things were, clean?

He took pictures of landscapes, the same ones you could go take today. Even this one

We live in filth. I brush my teeth with toliet water.

You're choosing to live in a city and complaining about city living. Fantastic. I plan to move to Montana and complain about the quiet and lack of nightlife.

And we might boast that we live longer now, and that we have all these chemicals, and so one, but to me that is just a struggle of idealogies between the natural, and science.

Have you taken antibiotics in your lifetime? I'm not saying you should be pumping yourself full of chemicals just because they're available, but I also don't see you acknowledging that your lifespan is nearly doubled through the common use of these "chemicals."

In Walden by Thoreau he writes "Simplify, simplify." and I think that our country led the rest of the world into this current trend of excess, which has dire consequences. This is alot bigger than Al Gore, or Bill Clinton, or Bush. This is about a world 'en mass that is loosing touch with what it means to have things simple. But, I think this country can lead back to living life simply, in all facets.

And yet you live in a city when you could simplify. The dichotomy between your words and actions is astounding.

....the hole in the ozone layer (which hasn't sealed up, but expanded)

You're blaming your sunburn on a hole in the ozone even though it's only significantly different at the poles? Are you going tanning in antarctica? Because the ozone layer isn't much different in boston now than it was 30 years ago.

for some reason we act like we have a right to be here.

We have as much right as anything else.

If we want to survive, then we're going to have to learn to adapt to our surroundings.

We're here because we learned how to adapt it to us.

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Originally Posted by WickedLou9

That's horse pucky. You can't simply look at one persons electric bill for one year and assume that he's a hypocrite. That's just retarded. I used more electricity last year than the year before. You can look at my electric bill and see that. Does that mean I don't care about the environment? Oh maybe there is a reason.. I had a baby. Using more electricity was unaviodable. Maybe last year was hotter or cooler than the year before. maybe he traded a gas dryer for an electric one. Maybe he traded a gas range for a more efficent electric one.

This is a meaningless attack piece and it's worth the paper that I just wiped by butt with. I can't believe seemingly intelligent people fall for this crap hook line and sinker.

You have got to be kidding me.

[6SpeedTA95]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

Or he could be saving us trillions of dollars by getting us to switch away from fossil fuels, regardless of the reasons.

We're saving money but turning away from fossil fuels? Oil is THIRD in energy per dollar even at 130 dollars a barrel. It is THIRD, nothing comes close to getting us as much energy per dollar. Renewables aren't even in the same zip code, state, country or planet right now. Oil is still cheap on an energy generation basis. Two things are cheaper Coal which is dirtier than oil and natural gas which is extremely clean but not as widely used as oil.

[jimeigh]

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

I think that if you compare their American landscape with ours, theirs was far more environmentally sound.

it was also a lot less comfortable or convenient for people to live in, and the food was less tastey i'm sure. it sure is nice sitting here on your computer talking about this, isnt it?

[IminWonderland]

Originally Posted by jimeigh

it was also a lot less comfortable or convenient for people to live in, and the food was less tastey i'm sure. it sure is nice sitting here on your computer talking about this, isnt it?

Yup. I am just yearning for a simpler time.

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Originally Posted by IminWonderland

Yup. I am just yearning for a simpler time.

And that's the cool thing about now..........you have the choice to live in the city and brush your teeth with toilet water or live here.





Why are you CHOOSING the city?

[Kytro]

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

If we want to survive, then we're going to have to learn to adapt to our surroundings. Instead of digging it up, blowing it up, and poisoning it.

What makes humans so successful is that they can adapt the surrounding to themselves. While we don't have total control - with our technology we are gaining more knowledge, and thus power.

[jimeigh]

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

Yup. I am just yearning for a simpler time.

it wasnt "simpler" by any means. accomplishing things that we consider menial tasks today- like getting food- required you to do much more work than go to the supermarket and drop some cash. you know how they made their clothes? they chewed the fuck out of leather to make it soft and wearable. yea, those were the days.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by jimeigh

it wasnt "simpler" by any means. accomplishing things that we consider menial tasks today- like getting food- required you to do much more work than go to the supermarket and drop some cash. you know how they made their clothes? they chewed the fuck out of leather to make it soft and wearable. yea, those were the days.

You are 100% correct. And I hate that no one got my "Dances with Wolves" reference. Bastards!

Movies make that time look romantic. It wasn't.

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Originally Posted by Stylerod

You are 100% correct. And I hate that no one got my "Dances with Wolves" reference. Bastards!

Movies make that time look romantic. It wasn't.

I thought you were talking about the wrestler

[tbone]

You all act like this is a simple comparing of apples to apples. Wickedlou is right. My own electric bill increased this year due to doing more printing at home of reports for work and more computer usage as part of my job.

If Al Gore's usage increased due to research to combat global warming or due to printing off reports on a printer he bought to be more energy efficient than taking his reports to kinkos, then it's kind of a null point isn't it.

Comparing such things is equivalent to saying George Bush spent more time out of the office this year than any other president in history. Without context it looks like he is a slacker, but if he was traveling to meet leaders in their own country and attending summits, he may have actually worked harder this year than any year in his term.

Data without context is useless dribble for people looking to score a quick political point. Partisan lemmings tend to jump on the bandwagon, as evidenced in this thread. Most intelligent people, who are not blinded by party affiliation, can see right though it.