Originally Posted by garbagemanlb So let them completely spiral down and hit rock bottom before trying to rigorously help them? I'm sorry, but I think that is a foolish thing to do, as it only increases the chances of criminal activity later on. I simply do not understand why you ...
09-20-2006, 12:40 PM
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| Governments should fear their people  Paleolibertarian 
| Originally Posted by garbagemanlb 
Look at the link you posted: Population growth is an important factor. Arizona grew at triple the rate of the national average between 1993 and 2003. But the Arizona Department of Public Safety still remains short 100 officers, "and our correction facilities are seriously overcrowded - to the point where judges are unable to sentence people to jail time because there is no place to put them," says Mr. Goddard. When you look at AZ, it is having a huge problem with vast numbers of illegal immigrants coming in. Of course you're going to have an increase in crime when you have all these new people coming in, that don't understand our culture, language, etc. And then look at the prisons - they can't put real criminals in prison because of room. Those are the reasons for the increase in crime. Not meth. | ||||
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09-20-2006, 12:41 PM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator  Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by Ardentfrost I did see that one!
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09-20-2006, 12:42 PM
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| One American Family at a Time.  Idealist The OC, California
| Originally Posted by garbagemanlb The problem with Meth....
First of all, people that do Meth, are usually living in poverty as it is. Second of all, people used to just use Speed, which wasn't nearly as addictive, people would get it from Drs. It was very common for people to use. Meth is the American drug of choice. It is not much different than people who have a Starbucks addiction if you look at it on a Simple level. You can get Speed anytime of day, anywhere. When they started cracking on people obtaining Prescription Speed, people started making their own.... | ||||
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09-20-2006, 12:44 PM
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| Never, never, never give up  Conservative Party High Point, NC
| Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent It's not like they didn't know it was illegal. As long as it's not legal, and you don't want to go to jail. Don't do it.
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09-20-2006, 12:46 PM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by Stylerod I'm saying the drug laws are idiotic. Those people are just as stupid for breaking the law.
Once we change it though, they need to be let out. | ||||
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09-20-2006, 12:47 PM
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| Governments should fear their people Paleolibertarian
| Originally Posted by Stylerod ummmmm. wow.
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09-20-2006, 12:50 PM
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| One American Family at a Time. Idealist The OC, California
| Originally Posted by lew By that logic, illegality makes something inherently wrong.
Marijuana is illegal. In California, I can possess up to an ounce, and it's a misdeamenor. Why is it that the states can say something regarding drugs is the equivilent to a failure to yield citation, but the federal government wants to put people away for 10 years for the same infraction? | ||||
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09-20-2006, 12:53 PM
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| Never, never, never give up Conservative Party High Point, NC
| Originally Posted by IminWonderland Compairing Starbucks to Meth!!!
Wonder how many people have lost their jobs and lives to Starbucks! Faces of Meth I can't seem to find a "facesofstarbucks" site. | ||||
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09-20-2006, 12:53 PM
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| Never, never, never give up Conservative Party High Point, NC
| Originally Posted by lew Do something illegal go to jail! Whodathunk!!!????
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09-20-2006, 12:55 PM
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| Never, never, never give up Conservative Party High Point, NC
| Originally Posted by IminWonderland States rights? It's still illegal.
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09-20-2006, 12:55 PM
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| Governments should fear their people Paleolibertarian
| Originally Posted by Stylerod So you'd be ok with the government banning religion? Because what you're implying is that anything can be illegal for any reason, and that's what makes something "right" or "wrong."
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09-20-2006, 12:55 PM
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| One American Family at a Time. Idealist The OC, California
| Originally Posted by Stylerod
It's all speed is what I'm saying. I am saying Americans like taking Speed. And when you take away one source of it, they find other sources. If drugs are *bad*, and so is addiction, why is addiction to caffeine looked at so mildly? It's just as harmful. It's bad for fetuses. A person can go broke. You might say, well, coffee isn't as addictive, it's still a drug, and it's still a stimulant and people still get the same mental addiction as they do with Meth. The difference is, is that a person who does Meth, can't afford Starbucks. | ||||
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09-20-2006, 12:57 PM
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| One American Family at a Time. Idealist The OC, California
| Originally Posted by Stylerod
Why is the state saying that's it's not worth prison, and the fed is? Do you not see the hypocrisy? Who wins in the War on Drugs? Pharmacetuical Companies? | ||||
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09-20-2006, 01:01 PM
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| For those about to rock...  libertarian Atlanta, GA
| Just because it's illegal doesn't mean it's wrong or bad. There are a lot of misconceptions about drug use. Lots of people think that anyone who does drugs do them in excess, and that's just not true. For instance, I know a group of doctors who have a party every christmas called "It Always Snows on Christmas" where they do blow. For most of them, that is the only time during the year they do drugs at all, and a few of them are casual users. And yet they can still go on to lead successful lives as doctors. I know a LOT of college kids (and people I went to college with) who used various drugs casually and still did well in school and went on to have good jobs and shit. The most focused and organized person I know in the whole world has tried just about every drug I know of, and is a casual user of a couple. Drugs aren't only for vagabonds and miscreants... and with drugs legalized, it would only be the vagabonds and miscreants who would go to jail instead of the normal people who are also casual users. | ||||
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09-20-2006, 01:02 PM
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| Never, never, never give up Conservative Party High Point, NC
| Originally Posted by lew Freedom of Religion is in the Constitution.
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09-20-2006, 01:03 PM
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| Yeah, that guy.  Progressive Oregon
| Originally Posted by IminWonderland
 There is such a thing as cheap coffee. I completely disagree with your comparing caffeine to meth. They might do similar things, but meth is many, many times stronger. | ||||
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09-20-2006, 01:04 PM
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| Governments should fear their people Paleolibertarian
| Originally Posted by Stylerod
So you don't think the government will shit on that when given the chance? They've already shitted on 95% of the other parts in it. | ||||
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09-20-2006, 01:04 PM
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| For those about to rock... libertarian Atlanta, GA
| Originally Posted by Stylerod Constitution never says the gov't can take away someone's ability to do what they want with their own body either.
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09-20-2006, 01:05 PM
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| Governments should fear their people Paleolibertarian
| Originally Posted by garbagemanlb
More people die every year from caffiene than they do of meth.  | ||||
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09-20-2006, 01:06 PM
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| Never, never, never give up Conservative Party High Point, NC
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