As a conservative, how does it make you feel when... - Page 2

Sir John · 09-06-2008, 06:19 PM

'scuse all the typos

Diesel66 · 09-15-2008, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by DosEquis

Who installed Saddam Hussein and provided him weapons and money?

He installed himself. Russia mainly armed him. France a big chunk.

kombayn · 09-17-2008, 10:28 AM

Fuck Liberals, Fuck Conservatives. You're a bunch of fucking hypocrites.

Swift-Bass · 09-18-2008, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by kombayn

Fuck Liberals, Fuck Conservatives. You're a bunch of fucking hypocrites.

Then who is not a hypocrite? From a political point of view.

DosEquis · 09-18-2008, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by Diesel66

He installed himself. Russia mainly armed him. France a big chunk.

Various U.S. diplomats and intelligence officials have asserted that Saddam was strongly linked with the CIA, and that U.S. intelligence, under President John F. Kennedy, helped Saddam's party seize power for the first time in 1963.

Saddam Hussein in the past was seen by U.S. intelligence services as a bulwark of anti-communism in the 1960s and 1970s.[16] His first contacts with U.S. officials date back to 1959, when he was part of a CIA-authorized six-man squad tasked with ousting then Iraqi Prime Minister Abdul Karim Qassim.

With the support of the Arab states, the United States, the Soviet Union, and Europe, and heavily financed by the Arab states of the Persian Gulf, Saddam Hussein had become "the defender of the Arab world" against a revolutionary Iran. Consequently, many viewed Iraq as 'an agent of the civilized world'. The blatant disregard of international law and violations of international borders were ignored. Instead Iraq received economic and military support from its allies, who conveniently overlooked Saddam's use of chemical warfare against the Kurds and the Iranians and Iraq's efforts to develop nuclear weapons.

And then when we flip the script... we wonder why they get pissed off and wonder we look like hypocrits? Get real son.

Swift-Bass · 09-18-2008, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by DosEquis

Various U.S. diplomats and intelligence officials have asserted that Saddam was strongly linked with the CIA, and that U.S. intelligence, under President John F. Kennedy, helped Saddam's party seize power for the first time in 1963.

Saddam Hussein in the past was seen by U.S. intelligence services as a bulwark of anti-communism in the 1960s and 1970s.[16] His first contacts with U.S. officials date back to 1959, when he was part of a CIA-authorized six-man squad tasked with ousting then Iraqi Prime Minister Abdul Karim Qassim.

With the support of the Arab states, the United States, the Soviet Union, and Europe, and heavily financed by the Arab states of the Persian Gulf, Saddam Hussein had become "the defender of the Arab world" against a revolutionary Iran. Consequently, many viewed Iraq as 'an agent of the civilized world'. The blatant disregard of international law and violations of international borders were ignored. Instead Iraq received economic and military support from its allies, who conveniently overlooked Saddam's use of chemical warfare against the Kurds and the Iranians and Iraq's efforts to develop nuclear weapons.

And then when we flip the script... we wonder why they get pissed off and wonder we look like hypocrits? Get real son.

Yeah, now that is a major problem I have with America's policies. We go in, put these radical people in charge and expect everything to stay "cool". How stupid is that! Our government created teh situation in Iran, Iraq and other nations that we had no business doing. It's not like the Iraq war where we had sense enough to at least instill a fragile democracy. No, we go in and just let whoever is nice to us at the time be inpower. How stupid is that?!

Photon1001 · 09-19-2008, 03:00 AM

^That's because the war was fought on the cheap, and it had to be since the Bush camp was cutting taxes left and right. I don't like taxes any more than anyone else, but the position we are in now and the tremendous casualties we have suffered in Iraq are all resulting from the Bush peoples' extremely poor and linked failures in both military and economic policy. The Iraq war, like most if not all wars, was a failure in diplomacy, but failures in diplomacy can be forgiven; failures in military and economic policy cannot. I wonder, if Roosevelt had cut taxes so, or had allowed such strategic blunders might our national slogan today not be Gott segnen Amerika?

HughRuss · 09-19-2008, 04:01 AM

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

Yeah, now that is a major problem I have with America's policies. We go in, put these radical people in charge and expect everything to stay "cool". How stupid is that! Our government created teh situation in Iran, Iraq and other nations that we had no business doing. It's not like the Iraq war where we had sense enough to at least instill a fragile democracy. No, we go in and just let whoever is nice to us at the time be inpower. How stupid is that?!

During Russia's expansion into Afghanistan, we also helped fund terrorists linked in part (and in whole) to Osama bin Laden.

During that same time, we backed a little group in Nicaragua called the Contras. That is, we sold some military weapons to Iran, and then turned around and gave financial funding to these Contras. (it also resulted in us once-removed "negotiating" with known terrorist cell "Hezbollah," which I'm sure we're all aware of by now; that is, we sold weaponry to Iran, and had the influential members there negotiate the release of 6 known US captives with Hezbollah).

Yeah, Reagan's foreign policy was a joke. A very, very, very bad joke.

Swift-Bass · 09-19-2008, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by HughRuss

During Russia's expansion into Afghanistan, we also helped fund terrorists linked in part (and in whole) to Osama bin Laden.

During that same time, we backed a little group in Nicaragua called the Contras. That is, we sold some military weapons to Iran, and then turned around and gave financial funding to these Contras. (it also resulted in us once-removed "negotiating" with known terrorist cell "Hezbollah," which I'm sure we're all aware of by now; that is, we sold weaponry to Iran, and had the influential members there negotiate the release of 6 known US captives with Hezbollah).

Yeah, Reagan's foreign policy was a joke. A very, very, very bad joke.

I can't argue with that. Reagan had some great policies and some bad ones. Like every president. I just wish we weren't in the nation building business.

Photon1001 · 09-19-2008, 11:24 AM

End the war.

Swift-Bass · 09-19-2008, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by Photon1001

End the war.

The Iraq war? We are starting to pull out as of now. It's been all over the news(though not loud enough).

HughRuss · 09-19-2008, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

I can't argue with that. Reagan had some great policies and some bad ones. Like every president. I just wish we weren't in the nation building business.

Nation building, counter to popular belief, is horrible for our economy.

Swift-Bass · 09-19-2008, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by HughRuss

Nation building, counter to popular belief, is horrible for our economy.

yep! that's why we shouldn't be in that business. But we are now, so the question is how to get out of it without causing genocide. that of course is a discussion for a different thread.

Photon1001 · 09-19-2008, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

The Iraq war? We are starting to pull out as of now. It's been all over the news(though not loud enough).

If that's true, then I suspect its only because Joe Lieberman, John McCain, and the rest of the nation-building click of senatorial neo-conservative foreign policy is gearing up to go into Iran.

HughRuss · 09-19-2008, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by Photon1001

If that's true, then I suspect its only because Joe Lieberman, John McCain, and the rest of the nation-building click of senatorial neo-conservative foreign policy is gearing up to go into Iran.

Well, we do have Iran "surrounded"

To quote a possibly senile man I know
"Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb bomb Iran."

DosEquis · 09-22-2008, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

yep! that's why we shouldn't be in that business. But we are now, so the question is how to get out of it without causing genocide. that of course is a discussion for a different thread.

According to our anarchy poster, it wouldn't happen because people don't need laws and government to get along or do the right thing.

Angus_Aboot · 09-22-2008, 07:13 PM

Thanks for posting for me.

Originally Posted by DosEquis

According to our anarchy poster, it wouldn't happen because people don't need laws and government to get along or do the right thing.

You still don't know what anarchy is, I'm not surprised.

Diesel66 · 09-26-2008, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Sir John

UH, We're borrowing from China to pay for this bullshit war.

China owns 3% of our debt. STOP REPEATING THAT FUCKING BULLSHIT

http://www.optimist123.com/optimist/...hart200701.gif

Photon1001 · 09-26-2008, 01:49 PM

^Now there's a thoughtful post. Oh well, at least its not full of a bunch of spelling errors like most of the conservatives around here lately.

Swift-Bass · 09-26-2008, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by Photon1001

^Now there's a thoughtful post. Oh well, at least its not full of a bunch of spelling errors like most of the conservatives around here lately.

tanx man! I rely appreceate tat!