Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 see dumpy dooby... motivez you do have an excellent point about parents having done their job in the past, something I hadn't exactly thought about... the scary thing is it's the ones who DIDN'T do their job who are going to have kids who get pregnant ...
07-26-2006, 11:29 PM
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| ..... your a worthless poster  Realist 
| Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 the scary thing is it's the ones who DIDN'T do their job who are going to have kids who get pregnant as teens, and then where do they turn? Although it's a specific situation and may not be used often, this makes it illegal for the kids who will need it most to get what they need.
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07-26-2006, 11:32 PM
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| One American Family at a Time.  Idealist The OC, California
| Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 I think your three friend's problems could have been fixed with a decent sex education. We should be talking about dealing with these things BEFORE the decision even needs to be made.
It's not that parents don't have a "right" to know, as a parent, of course you want to know. But you can't force the state into being an interim parent because some people can't maintain an open and honest parent-child relationship. If you have the type of relationship with your daughter, where she feels like she can't come to you with her problems, then the problem isn't her getting the abortion, the problem is WHY WON'T SHE TALK TO HER PARENTS. | ||||
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07-26-2006, 11:32 PM
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| tyop speicalist Religion Moderator  Capitalist California
| Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 I don't think girls should have to tell their parents at all. I fail to see how it is any of their parents' business. If the girls want their parents to know, then they will tell them. Pray tell, did you tell your parents when you first started having sex? What if you got a girl pregnant and she got an abortion? Would you tell them that you got a girl preggers?
Perhaps you would; perhaps you would not. But that's not the point. The point is that most people don't want their parents to know when they're having sex. And I see no reason for kids to tell their parents that they're having sex. There is nothing wrong with having sex. And like I said before, the morality behind abortion is questionable; henceforth, I do not believe that girls should subject that procedure to their parents' wrath. | ||||
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07-26-2006, 11:32 PM
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| Administrator  libertarian Oklahoma
| Originally Posted by 7960 I'm not talking about making abortion illegal, niether is the bill, its setting up circumstances that it must take place under, there's a distinct difference there.
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07-26-2006, 11:32 PM
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| ipsa Scientia Potestas est  Pragmatist North Carolina
| By the way, I just want to point out in this thread that the same people who are anti-choice[abortion] are a major contributor to teen pregnancy. Abstinence only education is bullshit, but it's the same group of people who want to make choice[abortion] illegal that refuse to teach kids about all of their options if they decide to become sexually active. REAL education is something that's needed, but this Administration has not been a part of a solution for teen pregnancy. | ||||
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07-26-2006, 11:33 PM
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| Administrator libertarian Oklahoma
| Originally Posted by 7960 Thats right children are NOT adults in the eyes of the law so why wouldn't this extend to laws surrounding doctor patient priveledge?
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07-26-2006, 11:37 PM
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| One American Family at a Time. Idealist The OC, California
| Originally Posted by motivez QFT
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07-26-2006, 11:39 PM
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| ..... your a worthless poster Realist
| Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 I know what you're talking about but I didn't make it clear.
You said he had a good point, about parents who've done their job. I'm talking about the ones who didn't do their job... the shitty parents are going to -have more teens who get pregnant, and -have less communication with their teens So it's the parents who did a shitty job who are the problem. The "good" ones are going to talk to their daughter and help her figure out what to do, and if the answer (in a no-abortion state) is to drive to another state for an abortion, that's what they'll do. The shitty parents are going to be less inclined to know because they don't talk to their kids. This is preventing those kids from getting help from somewhere else...in effect, trapping the girl and forcing her to talk to a parent we already know is shitty. How is this good? | ||||
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07-26-2006, 11:42 PM
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| Administrator libertarian Oklahoma
| Originally Posted by 7960 Thats true, this is something I really need to take sometime to think about because I'm honestly inclined to agree with you and motivez on this. In fact I made a point using IDENTICAL logic today about parents on a completely different issue when talking with a friend from work. So I'll take it under consideration and do some more reading tomorrow...
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07-26-2006, 11:46 PM
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| ..... your a worthless poster Realist
| Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 I'll finish with something we all know....... the situation blows. If I had my way no woman would ever need an abortion, all babies conceived would be wanted and loved or given to loving homes.
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07-27-2006, 12:27 AM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator  Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by 7960 That's a completely practical way of looking at the situation. I wish more people could see it that way.
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