Do you think G.W. Bush will get credit

[kinggovernor]

This is assuming President Bush leaves office in 6 months without an attack.


Do you think that he will be credited with keeping this country safe after 9/11? I believe that he will, while he has made a plethora of mistakes he has kept this country safe from terrorist attacks.

[Ardentfrost]

I think if within the next 20 years it is proven that had security not been like it is, he may get a little credit. However, I find it more likely that a lot of what he's done will be rolled back and we still won't be attacked. If that happens, I think he'll be looked down upon even more for taking shit too far (pretty much like he is now, but even worse).

[WickedLou9]

There have been thousands of terrorist attacks.

They havn't been in the continental US but they have been occuring all over the globe. We took 150,000 people from the US and put them in Iraq so naturally the terrorists have been attacking them where they are easiest to attack, but to say that there have not been any terrorist attacks is a bit silly.
Major terrorist attacks on US soil have always been very few and far between.

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

There have been thousands of terrorist attacks.

They havn't been in the continental US but they have been occuring all over the globe. We took 150,000 people from the US and put them in Iraq so naturally the terrorists have been attacking them where they are easiest to attack, but to say that there have not been any terrorist attacks is a bit silly.
Major terrorist attacks on US soil have always been very few and far between.

as President his job is to keep the homeland safe, and I think he has done a good job of that.

[Scrum]

If we ignore the largest and most deadly terrorist attack on US soil, Bush has done a great job of protecting this country.

[lew]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

This is assuming President Bush leaves office in 6 months without an attack.


Do you think that he will be credited with keeping this country safe after 9/11? I believe that he will, while he has made a plethora of mistakes he has kept this country safe from terrorist attacks.

I'm sure he will be credited for that. Much like Lincoln was credited with "saving the Union", Wilson was credited with winning WWI and making the world safe for democracy, FDR was credited with winning WWII and opposing Nazism and saving us from the Great Depression, Reagan is credited with winning against Russian Communism, etc, etc.


History is written by fools.

[Scrum]

Oh and a question for people who buy into this nonsense....


if Obama were to take office and we are attacked 9 months later, will you place the blame on Bush or Obama?

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Scrum

Oh and a question for people who buy into this nonsense....


if Obama were to take office and we are attacked 9 months later, will you place the blame on Bush or Obama?

it would depend on the situation.

[Ardentfrost]

Originally Posted by Scrum

Oh and a question for people who buy into this nonsense....


if Obama were to take office and we are attacked 9 months later, will you place the blame on Bush or Obama?

Everyone would blame Obama, of course (well, conservatives would)

[thewise1]

I just wanted to come into this thread and give credit to my XD40 for keeping the lions away here in Seattle.

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by thewise1

I just wanted to come into this thread and give credit to my XD40 for keeping the lions away here in Seattle.

have you actively attempted to keep the lions away?

[thewise1]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

have you actively attempted to keep the lions away?

Well I haven't, but my XD40 does it for me. There are no lions here, right?

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by thewise1

Well I haven't, but my XD40 does it for me. There are no lions here, right?

what anti-lion actions have you taken?

[motivez]

Considering he's helped create more terrorists and has radicalized a new generation of young muslims, the blowback from his idiotic invasion of Iraq wont be felt for years, I'm sure.

These people don't attack on a quick time scale, they're willing to wait and plot and I'm sure at some point in the future they're going to be successful, it's inevitable.

In the mean time, though, they're content to get training in an urban environment in Iraq and recruit more and more people to their cause.. if not Al Qaeda specifically, then other groups similar and sympathetic to their agenda.

[thewise1]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

what anti-lion actions have you taken?

What does it matter? It's obviously working, do you see any lions?

[7960]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

This is assuming President Bush leaves office in 6 months without an attack.


Do you think that he will be credited with keeping this country safe after 9/11? I believe that he will, while he has made a plethora of mistakes he has kept this country safe from terrorist attacks.

if there is not an attack before he leaves office he will be able to say for the rest of his life "I kept america safe from another attack for 7 years."

[7960]

Originally Posted by Scrum

If we ignore the largest and most deadly terrorist attack on US soil, Bush has done a great job of protecting this country.

the majority of which was planned during the previous president's term?

[7960]

Originally Posted by lew

I'm sure he will be credited for that. Much like Lincoln was credited with "saving the Union", Wilson was credited with winning WWI and making the world safe for democracy, FDR was credited with winning WWII and opposing Nazism and saving us from the Great Depression, Reagan is credited with winning against Russian Communism, etc, etc.


History is written by fools.

No, history books are written by the winner. If there are no more attacks before the next president then bush won.

[nbiggershaft]

1920 Sept. 16, New York City: TNT bomb planted in unattended horse-drawn wagon exploded on Wall Street opposite House of Morgan, killing 35 people and injuring hundreds more. Bolshevist or anarchist terrorists believed responsible, but crime never solved. 1975 Jan. 24, New York City: bomb set off in historic Fraunces Tavern killed 4 and injured more than 50 people. Puerto Rican nationalist group (FALN) claimed responsibility, and police tied 13 other bombings to the group. 1979 Nov. 4, Tehran, Iran: Iranian radical students seized the U.S. embassy, taking 66 hostages. 14 were later released. The remaining 52 were freed after 444 days on the day of President Reagan's inauguration. 1982–1991 Lebanon: Thirty US and other Western hostages kidnapped in Lebanon by Hezbollah. Some were killed, some died in captivity, and some were eventually released. Terry Anderson was held for 2,454 days. 1983 April 18, Beirut, Lebanon: U.S. embassy destroyed in suicide car-bomb attack; 63 dead, including 17 Americans. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.Oct. 23, Beirut, Lebanon: Shiite suicide bombers exploded truck near U.S. military barracks at Beirut airport, killing 241 marines. Minutes later a second bomb killed 58 French paratroopers in their barracks in West Beirut.Dec. 12, Kuwait City, Kuwait: Shiite truck bombers attacked the U.S. embassy and other targets, killing 5 and injuring 80. 1984 Sept. 20, east Beirut, Lebanon: truck bomb exploded outside the U.S. embassy annex, killing 24, including 2 U.S. military.Dec. 3, Beirut, Lebanon: Kuwait Airways Flight 221, from Kuwait to Pakistan, hijacked and diverted to Tehran. 2 Americans killed. 1985 April 12, Madrid, Spain: Bombing at restaurant frequented by U.S. soldiers, killed 18 Spaniards and injured 82.June 14, Beirut, Lebanon: TWA Flight 847 en route from Athens to Rome hijacked to Beirut by Hezbollah terrorists and held for 17 days. A U.S. Navy diver executed.Oct. 7, Mediterranean Sea: gunmen attack Italian cruise ship, Achille Lauro. One U.S. tourist killed. Hijacking linked to Libya.Dec. 18, Rome, Italy, and Vienna, Austria: airports in Rome and Vienna were bombed, killing 20 people, 5 of whom were Americans. Bombing linked to Libya. 1986 April 2, Athens, Greece:A bomb exploded aboard TWA flight 840 en route from Rome to Athens, killing 4 Americans and injuring 9.April 5, West Berlin, Germany: Libyans bombed a disco frequented by U.S. servicemen, killing 2 and injuring hundreds. 1988 Dec. 21, Lockerbie, Scotland: N.Y.-bound Pan-Am Boeing 747 exploded in flight from a terrorist bomb and crashed into Scottish village, killing all 259 aboard and 11 on the ground. Passengers included 35 Syracuse University students and many U.S. military personnel. Libya formally admitted responsibility 15 years later (Aug. 2003) and offered $2.7 billion compensation to victims' families. 1993 Feb. 26, New York City: bomb exploded in basement garage of World Trade Center, killing 6 and injuring at least 1,040 others. In 1995, militant Islamist Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and 9 others were convicted of conspiracy charges, and in 1998, Ramzi Yousef, believed to have been the mastermind, was convicted of the bombing. Al-Qaeda involvement is suspected. 1995 April 19, Oklahoma City: car bomb exploded outside federal office building, collapsing wall and floors. 168 people were killed, including 19 children and 1 person who died in rescue effort. Over 220 buildings sustained damage. Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols later convicted in the antigovernment plot to avenge the Branch Davidian standoff in Waco, Tex., exactly 2 years earlier. (See Miscellaneous Disasters.)Nov. 13, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: car bomb exploded at U.S. military headquarters, killing 5 U.S. military servicemen. 1996 June 25, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia: truck bomb exploded outside Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds of others. 13 Saudis and a Lebanese, all alleged members of Islamic militant group Hezbollah, were indicted on charges relating to the attack in June 2001. 1998 Aug. 7, Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania: truck bombs exploded almost simultaneously near 2 U.S. embassies, killing 224 (213 in Kenya and 11 in Tanzania) and injuring about 4,500. 4 men connected with al-Qaeda 2 of whom had received training at al-Qaeda camps inside Afghanistan, were convicted of the killings in May 2001 and later sentenced to life in prison. A federal grand jury had indicted 22 men in connection with the attacks, including Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden, who remained at large. 2000 Oct. 12, Aden, Yemen: U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole heavily damaged when a small boat loaded with explosives blew up alongside it. 17 sailors killed. Linked to Osama bin Laden, or members of al-Qaeda terrorist network. 2001 Sept. 11, New York City, Arlington, Va., and Shanksville, Pa.: hijackers crashed 2 commercial jets into twin towers of World Trade Center; 2 more hijacked jets were crashed into the Pentagon and a field in rural Pa. Total dead and missing numbered 2,9921: 2,749 in New York City, 184 at the Pentagon, 40 in Pa., and 19 hijackers. Islamic al-Qaeda terrorist group blamed. (See September 11, 2001: Timeline of Terrorism.) 2002 June 14, Karachi, Pakistan: bomb exploded outside American consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12. Linked to al-Qaeda. 2003 May 12, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: suicide bombers killed 34, including 8 Americans, at housing compounds for Westerners. Al-Qaeda suspected. 2004 May 29–31, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists attack the offices of a Saudi oil company in Khobar, Saudi Arabia, take foreign oil workers hostage in a nearby residential compound, leaving 22 people dead including one American.June 11–19, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists kidnap and execute Paul Johnson Jr., an American, in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. 2 other Americans and BBC cameraman killed by gun attacks.Dec. 6, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia: terrorists storm the U.S. consulate, killing 5 consulate employees. 4 terrorists were killed by Saudi security. 2005 Nov. 9, Amman, Jordan: Suicide bombers hit 3 American hotels, Radisson, Grand Hyatt, and Days Inn, in Amman, Jordan, killing 57. Al-Qaeda claimed responsibility. 2006 Sept. 13, Damascus, Syria: an attack by four gunman on the American embassy was foiled. 2007 Jan. 12, Athens, Greece: the U.S. embassy was fired on by an anti-tank missile causing damage but no injuries.Dec. 11, Algeria: More than 60 people are killed, including 11 United Nations staff members, when Al Qaeda terrorists detonate two car bombs near Algeria's Constitutional Council and the United Nations offices.


Just a quick google, why would anyone interpret 2000-2008 as being any safer than before? There weren't any domestic terrorist attacks after 9/11 but there were next to none before.