I came across the most compelling piece of evidence to do with 9/11 and all other things people claim are crazy conspiracy. It is about a man, his Name is William Cooper. Profile: Ex military Official, Vietnam War Veteran Relevency to 9/11: He worked for the army, like his forefathers ...
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07-10-2008, 12:31 AM
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| Compelling Peice of Evidence Concerning Events of Sept. 11 I came across the most compelling piece of evidence to do with 9/11 and all other things people claim are crazy conspiracy. It is about a man, his Name is William Cooper. Profile: Ex military Official, Vietnam War Veteran Relevency to 9/11: He worked for the army, like his forefathers for 20 long years. Eventually he quit because he found that the army was a mechanism for the powerful people of the world to take control of economies. He researched long and hard, opened a short frequency radio show in EagerVill Arizona. During one of his last programs, he mentioned, after finding out information about the plans of the power elite, that an attack was going to happen in the USA in the coming time. He also said that Osama Binladen would be put to blame for the attacks, which are manifested so that the wealthy people controlling the government, could draw up and pass bills like the patriot act and homeland security. This was only 3 months before the attacks!!! Eventaully when what he predicted came to pass, he began a book about the events and his life in vietname, which was left unfinished for the following reason; 'Bill' or William Cooper, was murdered when the Arizona county police were serving a warrant for his arrest, on November of that life changing year 2001 year. How do I Know he was part of the military? Within the Documentary, it shows various medals and pictures of William in the army. The medals are scattered near the last few segments. The media, also is shown in a live newscast, to lie blatantly about William Coopers identity and history. The claimed he was a militant Anarchist, when he truly had served the army and people for long years of his life. Keep in mind this man knew that the media and government were going to blame the attacks of September's 11th. How do i know this? In the bibliography it shows a live show, in which he mentions the preceding happenings that eventually took place and took the lives of thousands. This shows his pics YouTube - William Cooper & his Death 1/9 This shows his live broadcast predicting there would be a major attack blamed on OSAMA. YouTube - William Cooper & his Death 5/9 Here are his medals(2-3 minutes into it) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jBsQ...eature=related The newscast of his murder, on TV (go to the End almost) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PScEh...eature=related This one is in the beginning, its a newscast talking about him being a militant. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0Edl...eature=related With care, passion and Political practice | ||||
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07-10-2008, 03:05 AM
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| Um, there are a few people who go into the military messed up and come out messed up, or get messed up while in combat. Lee Harvey Oswald, for example. Also being in the military doesn't mean you have access to classified material and even if you do have the proper security clearances you still have to have a "need to know", so your implication that because he was military he somehow had prior knowledge to 9/11 is just bullshit. Also, my computer really sucks right now and I can't access those links. So I have a few questions about William Cooper. What rank was he? Was he an officer or enlisted? What exactly was his job in the military? Under what conditions did he leave the military? And exactly what types of medals were on display? You see, there are some medals that are really hard to get and are really prestigious, and there are others that the military hands out like candy. In fact, if you've seen military members in service dress, each one of the ribbons they wear on their chest has a small corresponding medal to go with it, so if you've been in the military for say, oh, 5+ years, you could potentially have dozens of medals. Answering these questions could help support (or erode) your source's credibility. Last edited by C4Casey; 07-10-2008 at 03:07 AM. Reason: misspelling | ||||
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07-10-2008, 02:06 PM
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| ..... your a worthless poster  Realist
| Milton William Cooper never met a conspiracy he didn't approve of. He believed there were UFOs circling the earth and that the govt agreed to let them take people to use for food and testing in exchange for their technology; he believed the cold war was a carefully crafted scam to get people to buy into creating a one-world govt; he believed the moon landings were faked; he believed the IRS is collecting taxes so they can afford to buy drugs to bring into the country; he makes proclamations about draw conclusions based on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion even though they're proven forgeries; ............. ............... I'm all for discussing the message and not attacking the person but at what point are we allowed to dismiss someone and wait for a more credible source? | ||||
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07-10-2008, 02:07 PM
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| ..... your a worthless poster Realist
| Originally Posted by C4Casey his highest rank in the navy was petty officer. 
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07-10-2008, 08:44 PM
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| "so your implication that because he was military he somehow had prior knowledge to 9/11 is just bullshit. " I never meant to imply that. As we never meant to misunderstand our meanings. What what I meant was that in one of his short-wave broadcasts, he, like Alex Jones, had prior knowledge to the Attacks on September 11th, more importantly that they would blame Osama Binladen for them, when in retrospect, it was simply an even orchestrated to collectively change American attitudes, to a more fearful and hateful one so that they could wage both a war and profit from it in the middle east and pass bills like the patriot act and homeland security. His work in the military is simply shown within his documentary, where they show his medals of honor and pictures of him in military environments, I know that information of him being in the military, like documents would be impossible to attain, still pictures of him are shown and medals of honor to substaniate the claim. The reason I know this man had something important to tell us, which would, if he had been more successful and even alive today, shaken the established wealthy classes power over communication and the economy, thus ultimatly politicial mechanisms, is because at the end of the documentary, it shows how a news cast about his death was blatantly lieng about this mans, affiliations and history. They said he was a militant with a website, that was anti-establishment. In no way did they mention he was an author and radio broadcaster, which I am sure would have substantiated what he said further to the people of america, namely the town he did his work. Obviously, if a man is killed and he writes books about the wealthy powerful people of the world and the corrupt nature of this system, thereafter the reasons for them, telling people that he wrote a book would certainly be against the interests of those who TELL the people, because the people whom they tell about, his books and his sudden death, would have something to substantiate the claims of his book and radio braodcast further advancing the end goal of what Milton Cooper, wanted; for the people to know they are being controlled, namely through the media. In short; why would the newscast lie about him, disinform the public about his credentials, nay his acheivements, peices of information that are substantially thought of as 'conspiracy', if he was not a threat to anyone in power??? Actually he himself said that he has sealed his fate, luckily he had connections to higher powers and was able to evacuate his family before the police came to arrest him on trump charges meant to land him in a cell, for murder and to withhold the power of the people he was fighting, the wealthy elite, whom own the media establishments that lied about him. The book he wrote was called; Behold a pale hoarse - and another few i believe. With care, passion and political practice. Bye 4 now! | ||||
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07-10-2008, 08:48 PM
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| I have a question for the rest; what have do you gain from measuring what he believes, without coming to the measurements that he uses to make sense of it? Surely you dont believe that you can write someone OFF as a nut, simply because he believes something that SEEMS untrue....If we went back a few hundred years and told everyone that the earth revolves around the sun, the would write us off as nutcases. This isnt much different. A better route would be to examine the evidence, namely the events surrounding his death and how the media portrayed him. Unless u can give me clear reasons for this being not the best way, in which case I am willing to accept. bye 4 now!! | ||||
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07-10-2008, 10:56 PM
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| ..... your a worthless poster Realist
| Originally Posted by APassion4Change 1. alex jones did NOT have prior knowledge of 9/11. He guessed that there would be an attack and in his guess he mentioned the WTC, a building that had been attacked before. After 9/11 he went back and edited together at least 4 different broadcasts to make it LOOK like he "predicted" 9/11 and he said he predicted and people ran with it.
2. other than using the name osama there is no evidence he had foreknowledge of the attack, AND he even tells where he got the name, from a CNN reporter. | ||||
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07-10-2008, 11:00 PM
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| ..... your a worthless poster Realist
| Originally Posted by APassion4Change when someone believes aliens orbit the earth and our govt hands them humans for food and medical testing in exchange for their technology, yes I can write him off as a nut.
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07-11-2008, 08:05 AM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur.  Reform Party NJ
| The guy is a sounds like a mental patient. Based on what has been said in this thread I'm willing to make a bet that the man has made dozens of predictions each day that turn out to be wacko crazy insane and never come to reality. The notion that he got a name right on one of his theories or something to that effect and therefore he had prior knowledge to me is kinda nutty. | ||||
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07-11-2008, 12:01 PM
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| "The guy is a sounds like a mental patient. Based on what has been said in this thread I'm willing to make a bet that the man has made dozens of predictions each day that turn out to be wacko crazy insane and never come to reality. The notion that he got a name right on one of his theories or something to that effect and therefore he had prior knowledge to me is kinda nutty." Withstand from posting, this it lacks any sort of substantiation and proof. What about my question about the media lying of him, when he got murdered? "when someone believes aliens orbit the earth and our govt hands them humans for food and medical testing in exchange for their technology, yes I can write him off as a nut." By what measure do you say someone is a nut? I hope you are not assuming he is a nut, simply because his information is far away from the common conception about life.....It seems like i come across this alot, people tend to measure the nutcases based on what is normal, common knowledge. Why? They never give any reasoning for calling him a nut other than that his information is nutty. When i consider what makes it nutty, it becomes clear that we are simply using a societal measure of knowledge to understand him, something I did within logic just one year ago, but found inefficient...They called Einstein a nut, they called galileo a nut. History shows this is what we as a race have been doing for some long time, by no coincidence, but by a logic that is inefficient and always lacks substantiation. My friend, anwere the question above I gave to the other guy who said he is a mental case. " other than using the name osama there is no evidence he had foreknowledge of the attack" What more foreknowledge would you want??? The exact day it would happen??? Is it not enough to acknowledge the fact that this man knew the media did, fraudulently blame the attacks on Osama?? Have you heard of Aaron Russo, a close friend of the Rockafeller family?? Look at what he said(he is a very succesful movie producer/writer) YouTube - Alex Jones & Aaron Russo With care to you all, a passion for justified change. Bye! This guy claimed that the rockafellers knew about it, before hand and that the media would cause people to believe it was not the elite, Rockfellers are long known media barons. Obviously very difficult information to come across, just like the fact that Media Corporations HAVE the same rights as an individual, freedom of expression - which gives them the right to lie, withhold and distort about the truth. | ||||
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07-11-2008, 12:15 PM
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07-11-2008, 05:50 PM
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| ..... your a worthless poster Realist
| Originally Posted by APassion4Change I believe I gave a reason..... he says aliens are not only orbiting the earth, but also that they've made agreements with our govt to be allowed to eat and test humans in exchange for their technology. Now, I already said I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. You show me ANY credible evidence that aliens are orbiting the earth and that they've made agreements with our govt to be allowed to eat and test humans in exchange for their technology and I swear I'll go on your blogcast and admit I'm wrong.
Funny how "they" were willing to kill 3,000 americans but wouldn't get rid of this one more guy to cover their tracks. | ||||
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07-11-2008, 05:51 PM
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| ..... your a worthless poster Realist
| Originally Posted by APassion4Change 404 Total Proof not found. | ||||
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07-11-2008, 11:12 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by APassion4Change You can't compare this man to Einstein or Galileo. He has no evidence, he has no credibility and quite frankly he isn't grounded in reality. I give as much value to what he has to say as the man with his arms strapped across his chest in Wackyville. He isn't trying to prove something by providing evidence. If he can provide any form of credible evidence to support his claim then perhaps I'd give it a second thought. As of now it's just a lot of hogwash.
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07-18-2008, 06:49 PM
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| The Fed Must Go!  Paleolibertarian
| Originally Posted by 7960 I'm not going to make a comment on this one way or the other...however...
I was at a Cubs vs. Giants game the other day (Cubs lost to Linsicome) and met a guy from Chicago. He works for "Dynamic Wrecking & Excavation, Inc." (Dynamic Wrecking) Since I've read enough about the 9/11 conspiracy to understand both sides, I asked him immediately about building 7. I asked him whether it came down naturally or what the story was. His comment was that the beams inside the structure are all sprayed with a fire resistant substance to protect them from caving in during any type of fire. His bottom line opinion was that it was a controlled collapse. FWIW... Would I go around and tell everyone that 9/11 was an inside job? No. But this was a piece of the puzzle I was curious about myself that I feel I now have some answers to. Fed Up
__________________ "An unconstitutional act is not a law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties; it affords no protection; it creates no office; it is in legal contemplation, as inoperative as though it had never been passed." Norton v. Shelby County, 118 US 425 (1885) | ||||
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07-19-2008, 01:55 AM
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| ..... your a worthless poster Realist
| Originally Posted by Fed Up Neat. He didn't say anything I didn't already know. And what he said doesn't mean shit.
Why did he only address the insulation? Why didn't he also discuss the 2000 sq ft unsupported floor in the center of the building that, if weakened, would have brought down every floor above it making it look like <gasp> a controlled demolition? | ||||
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07-19-2008, 02:24 PM
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| The Fed Must Go! Paleolibertarian
| Originally Posted by 7960 Doesn't mean shit? I call B.S. on your part. Who have you spoken with that knows anything, or do you just view a website and for your opinions? Are you in the business of blowing up buildings? Didn't think so.
Why don't you email him from the website I posted and ask him? I was at a baseball game having a good time not at an inquisition!  Fed Up Last edited by Fed Up; 07-19-2008 at 02:44 PM. | ||||
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07-20-2008, 12:23 AM
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| ..... your a worthless poster Realist
| Originally Posted by Fed Up "I sat next to a guy who says he blows up buildings so I know more than you!"
 He has no more information than anyone else. And yes, I got my information from reading. Engineers, physicist, construction people...did your guy work on the WTC? Those people did. Call it appeal to authority but I'm going with the opinions of people who were there and studied it.
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