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Old 09-22-2006, 10:48 AM   #21
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Old 09-22-2006, 11:08 AM   #22
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Originally Posted by Ardentfrost View Post
Only if accused (according to the GC, which I've only been over 100 times). He sits unaccused except through hearsay.
No you quote a section dealing with citizens being put on trial.

We are talking about an accused fighter being held. If he is accused of a crime, he has those rights to see the evidence get a lawyer etc....


But until then he is held as a POW for the duration.
 
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Old 09-22-2006, 11:39 AM   #23
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Originally Posted by Diesel66 View Post
No you quote a section dealing with citizens being put on trial.

We are talking about an accused fighter being held. If he is accused of a crime, he has those rights to see the evidence get a lawyer etc....


But until then he is held as a POW for the duration.
Since he was nonviolent, they have to accuse him and prove that he was aiding the enemy. That is in the GC, and I keep quoting the civilian section because it outlines who is NOT a civilian, and he didn't fall into any of those categories without accusation and proof (though, while being held, I'd take even an accusation to be them trying to follow the rules)
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Old 09-22-2006, 12:37 PM   #24
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Originally Posted by Ardentfrost View Post
Since he was nonviolent, they have to accuse him and prove that he was aiding the enemy. That is in the GC, and I keep quoting the civilian section because it outlines who is NOT a civilian, and he didn't fall into any of those categories without accusation and proof (though, while being held, I'd take even an accusation to be them trying to follow the rules)
nonviolence has nothing to do with it, if you are traveling with the military you are considered a POW. End of story. If the 101st was overrun because Geraldo's bullshit, he would be held as a POW.
 
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Old 09-22-2006, 01:27 PM   #25
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Originally Posted by Diesel66 View Post
nonviolence has nothing to do with it, if you are traveling with the military you are considered a POW. End of story. If the 101st was overrun because Geraldo's bullshit, he would be held as a POW.
They are not holding him even as a POW though, that is a large part of the problem.
 
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Old 09-22-2006, 03:22 PM   #26
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Originally Posted by Thorgrim View Post
That's a nice little kangaroo court you've just concluded, does Judge JaJae sentence him to death? Is he allowed to speak in his defense, or should we round up a death squad to dispatch to his cell immediately?


I never said he was guilty of anything. I asked what makes him better than any other person we're holding in Iraq? Just because AP gives him a paycheck doesn't make him any better than the rest of people we've arrested Iraq after being caught in the same position he was in.
 
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Old 09-22-2006, 03:29 PM   #27
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Originally Posted by JaJae View Post


I never said he was guilty of anything. I asked what makes him better than any other person we're holding in Iraq? Just because AP gives him a paycheck doesn't make him any better than the rest of people we've arrested Iraq after being caught in the same position he was in.


This is a guy who takes propaganda photos for the AP. He was arrested in a militant safehouse which stored weapons to use against US troops. He was found with explosive traces on him. He takes pictures of terrorists assassinating US sympathizers. He's nothing other than a puppet to the terrorists to send out images to the Americans.

He was captured 5 months ago and AP sat on the story and then attempted a coverup. This is getting insane. His photos were obviously staged
No, Ja, you never said he did ANYTHING

To your completely dodging question: What makes him different is that he is not some random Ali Hakim or Iraqi citizen or something...here is a case where we actually have an organization that is standing up for him because they know who he is...how many others have been whisked away and we don't know if their dead, tortured, jailed, etc

Here is the one example, and we can show how broken the system is

You convicted the guy of being a propagandist...without any defense by him or his coworkers

It must make you feel pretty tough to pick on a guy rotting in a jail cell who can't defend himself from your attacks? How macho do you feel now?
 
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Old 09-22-2006, 04:20 PM   #28
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Originally Posted by Thorgrim View Post
To your completely dodging question: What makes him different is that he is not some random Ali Hakim or Iraqi citizen or something.
He is a random dude. He just happens to own a camera and gets paid for taking bullshit photos for AP.

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Old 09-22-2006, 04:49 PM   #29
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Originally Posted by JaJae View Post
He is a random dude. He just happens to own a camera and gets paid for bullshit photos for AP.
He happens to be maybe the only one the occupation has that we know about
 
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