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Old 09-21-2006, 05:15 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz View Post
If I knew everything the government did, I'd be a covert operative.
I'm not asking you to name everything. I'm asking for ONE thing; ONE thing that proves beyond a doubt Bush has made us safer
 
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Old 09-21-2006, 05:16 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by Stylerod View Post
really! Ok.


We have sites dedicated to monitoring every word said on Fox News so they can go "AAHHHAAA!!!" Man, if you don't like the station, there are plenty of others to watch.

Media Matters - Fox's Buttner: "Thank God and thank President Bush" that there haven't been terror attacks inside the U.S. "despite the opposition of some very misled people"

Media Matters want to to "Take Action!"
I posted the link to the Code of Journalistic ethics. If Fox news is unethical in thier reporting it's up to you if you want to watch them. I don't really know what you are trying to say here.
 
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Old 09-21-2006, 05:16 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz View Post
Nobody denies it's more conservative than the rest; it's the extent to which everyone claims that I disagree with.

Besides, what does it matter? Everyone on this forum watches it. They win.
i don't want any network or cable news, I prefer getting my news from sources with better ethics.
 
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Old 09-21-2006, 05:21 PM   #44
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The fourth most centrist outlet was "Special Report With Brit Hume" on Fox News, which often is cited by liberals as an egregious example of a right-wing outlet. While this news program proved to be right of center, the study found ABC's "World News Tonight" and NBC's "Nightly News" to be left of center. All three outlets were approximately equidistant from the center, the report found.


Five news outlets — "NewsHour With Jim Lehrer," ABC's "Good Morning America," CNN's "NewsNight With Aaron Brown," Fox News' "Special Report With Brit Hume" and the Drudge Report — were in a statistical dead heat in the race for the most centrist news outlet. Of the print media, USA Today was the most centrist.

Media Bias Is Real, Finds UCLA Political Scientist... 12/14/2005


If a news outlet isn't completely left, you guys start to bitch. We have seen 3 or 4 studies done that show's fox being more right then the others but not that far right of center. Calling them a mouth piece for the administration is just wishful thinking.
 
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Old 09-21-2006, 05:22 PM   #45
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Originally Posted by Stylerod View Post
If a news outlet isn't completely left, you guys start to bitch. We have seen 3 or 4 studies done that show's fox being more right then the others but not that far right of center. Calling them a mouth piece for the administration is just wishful thinking.
I'm not talking about all of fox news and thier programs. I am talking about this one incident.
 
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Old 09-21-2006, 05:24 PM   #46
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Originally Posted by Publius View Post
I prefer getting my news from sources with better ethics.
Good luck with that
 
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Old 09-21-2006, 05:25 PM   #47
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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz View Post
Good luck with that
The Economist is certainly more ethical AND intellectually honest, as is pretty much ALL print news when compared with TV news (though certainly there are many print news sources, like the NYT, with quite questionable ethics).
 
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Old 09-21-2006, 05:26 PM   #48
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Originally Posted by WickedLou9 View Post
I posted the link to the Code of Journalistic ethics. If Fox news is unethical in thier reporting it's up to you if you want to watch them. I don't really know what you are trying to say here.
That there are sites out there that look at Fox News, every minute of the day, and anytime "they think" they said something that might have a bias (towards Bush) they hurry and write a story and give you phone numbers and emails to contact the offending party. You don't like it, change the channel!
 
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Old 09-21-2006, 05:26 PM   #49
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Originally Posted by Stylerod View Post
If a news outlet isn't completely left, you guys start to bitch. We have seen 3 or 4 studies done that show's fox being more right then the others but not that far right of center. Calling them a mouth piece for the administration is just wishful thinking.
3 or 4? I have seen 1. Please post the others.

This has nothing to do with other news outlets. This has to do with FNC.

If you want to talk about the other outlets make your own thread.
 
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Old 09-21-2006, 05:29 PM   #50
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Originally Posted by Publius View Post
I'm not asking you to name everything. I'm asking for ONE thing; ONE thing that proves beyond a doubt Bush has made us safer
Administration outlines foiled plots (AP)
 
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Old 09-21-2006, 10:23 PM   #51
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I don't think anyone contests that the administration has halted attacks. I'm sure this would have occured no matter who was in power. The concern is of the effectiveness of the METHODS used, and whether they have nullified themselves. For example, could we have halted all those attacks listed without PATRIOT? Would leaving saddam in power have caused there to be greater or lesser interest in attacking/hating US soil/interests?
 
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Old 09-21-2006, 10:36 PM   #52
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Originally Posted by R-Type View Post
I don't think anyone contests that the administration has halted attacks. I'm sure this would have occured no matter who was in power. The concern is of the effectiveness of the METHODS used, and whether they have nullified themselves. For example, could we have halted all those attacks listed without PATRIOT? Would leaving saddam in power have caused there to be greater or lesser interest in attacking/hating US soil/interests?
And how are we to know that?
 
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Old 09-21-2006, 10:48 PM   #53
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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz View Post
And how are we to know that?
We can't. It's all speculation. What's done is done.
 
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Old 09-21-2006, 11:29 PM   #54
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And how are we to know that?
We don't either way, and that's what worries me. If the administration is so sure their ways are working, they could do more than list a few foiled plots without any correlative analysis. Again, the concern is the methods and whether their results are/were worth the sacrifices. Have we increased or decreased terrorist plots and/or interest in terrorism against the US? If they can't answer that with any kind of objectivity, then I'd say their methods are failures.
 
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Old 09-22-2006, 06:24 PM   #56
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standing back, and asking yourself if the coverage is biased in any way, it's so clearly biased to the right it makes me sick.. and I used to defend FNC.

as this clip from the Daily Show points out, this is something I have noticed myself

YouTube - John Stewart Kills CNN/Fox News

sure it's funny, but it is so blatently obvious.
 
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Old 09-23-2006, 05:52 AM   #57
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I was told in another thread that the patriot act was just an extention of something clinton was doing in the 1990s

and neither of them do anything for terrorism.
 
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Originally Posted by Pro Street View Post
standing back, and asking yourself if the coverage is biased in any way, it's so clearly biased to the right it makes me sick.. and I used to defend FNC.

as this clip from the Daily Show points out, this is something I have noticed myself

YouTube - John Stewart Kills CNN/Fox News

sure it's funny, but it is so blatently obvious.
I think once anyone makes an effort to get some real perspective on they come to realize very quickly how biased and one sided the "coverage" is on that network.

I used to be the same way, defending them, etc.. and then I decided to step back and take an objective look at it
 
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CNN - President wants Senate to hurry with new laws - July 30, 1996

The president isn't allowed to magically make funds for anti-terrorism units
chemical markers. wow.... he really tried putting his foot down on terrorism.
 
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chemical markers. wow.... he really tried putting his foot down on terrorism.
More than the Republicans did before 9/11.
 
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