Media reports on Afghanistan outpost battle were exaggerated

[Charles Martel]

Commander: Media reports on Afghanistan outpost battle were exaggerated | Stars and Stripes

The battle occurred just after dawn at a temporary vehicle patrol base near Wanat. A platoon-sized element of Chosen Company, 2nd Battalion, 503rd Infantry Regiment (Airborne) soldiers and a smaller Afghan National Army force were occupying a hastily built area as they had done many times over the 15 months they’d been in country, Preysler said. The soldiers were there on a reconnaissance mission to establish a presence and find a good location to connect with the local government, populace and Afghan National Police, he said.
The small outpost had been built just days before the attack and consisted of protective wire and observation posts surrounding strategically placed vehicles. "That’s all it was, a series of vehicles that went out there," Preysler said.
"People are saying that this was a full-up [forward operating base]/combat outpost, and that is absolutely false and not true. There were no walls," Preysler said, latter adding, "FOB denotes that there are walls and perimeters and all that. It’s a vehicle patrol base, temporary in nature."

Obama mentioning this, the reason he would send two more combat brigades to Afghanistan. The media hypes this nonsense and Obama the Great interprets wrongly and with knee-jerk error but.....who cares. This greenhorn many want elected.....who cares his foreign policy and military experience are zero. Who cares if he clearly doesn't have a clue?

Flip flopping on wiretapping, flip flopping on his timeline, flipping on his Reverand, his Church, agreeing with the gun ownership ruling even though voting against both Supreme Court nominees.

This guy makes John Kerry look solid.

[Rouger2]

Originally Posted by Charles Martel

Commander: Media reports on Afghanistan outpost battle were exaggerated | Stars and Stripes



Obama mentioning this, the reason he would send two more combat brigades to Afghanistan. The media hypes this nonsense and Obama the Great interprets wrongly and with knee-jerk error but.....who cares. This greenhorn many want elected.....who cares his foreign policy and military experience are zero. Who cares if he clearly doesn't have a clue?

Flip flopping on wiretapping, flip flopping on his timeline, flipping on his Reverand, his Church, agreeing with the gun ownership ruling even though voting against both Supreme Court nominees.

This guy makes John Kerry look solid.

How can someone run for president and not flip flop. We are a divided country and he has to speak to all of us. We all have so many things that we will just not compromise on, every group has it own iron clad beliefs, and he has for the most part follow the party line.

[Charles Martel]

Originally Posted by Rouger2

How can someone run for president and not flip flop. We are a divided country and he has to speak to all of us. We all have so many things that we will just not compromise on, every group has it own iron clad beliefs, and he has for the most part follow the party line.

I don't remember the current President flip flopping. We are a divided country but, we are one nation....that needs leadership and quality representation.

And he has NOT followed the party line. He's flip flopping on huge issues and what does that say to our ememies, who would you want to take issue with? A president who doesn't step backwards, a President who has resolve and doesn't flip flop? Or a President who sticks his wet finger in the breeze to decide what to do?

[WickedLou9]

Originally Posted by Charles Martel

Commander: Media reports on Afghanistan outpost battle were exaggerated | Stars and Stripes



Obama mentioning this, the reason he would send two more combat brigades to Afghanistan. The media hypes this nonsense and Obama the Great interprets wrongly and with knee-jerk error but.....who cares. This greenhorn many want elected.....who cares his foreign policy and military experience are zero. Who cares if he clearly doesn't have a clue?

Flip flopping on wiretapping, flip flopping on his timeline, flipping on his Reverand, his Church, agreeing with the gun ownership ruling even though voting against both Supreme Court nominees.

This guy makes John Kerry look solid.

flip flopping is a stupid insult to throw at someone. GWB fliipflopped more times than I can count on some critical issues. Finding Bin Laden for one. First he wanted him at all costs, dead or alive, then later on he decided that Bin Laden didn't matter... It's called changing your mind when presented with new information, and it's not a character flaw, it's an admirable trait.

That being said, Your source is the stars and stripes, a military news paper. It's not exactly going to be a non-biased source, ESPECIALLY when it comes to news that we abandoned a military base after it was attacked by taliban forces.

[WickedLou9]

Originally Posted by Charles Martel

I don't remember the current President flip flopping. We are a divided country but, we are one nation....that needs leadership and quality representation.

Selective memory?

Bush's Top Ten Flip-Flops, CBSNews.com Charts The Opinion Switches, Part 1: George Bush - CBS News

[Charles Martel]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

Selective memory?

Bush's Top Ten Flip-Flops, CBSNews.com Charts The Opinion Switches, Part 1: George Bush - CBS News

I don't see a single flip flop here. While you criticize Stars and Strioes and give me....CBS? Is this not the Dan Rather News stations so known for a lil made up memo?

Selective memory, Lou?

Free trade he's NEVER stepped back from. The Iraq war not one step backwards.

Obama is a flip flopping sail fish out of water. A coward who sticks his thumb in the air to decide what to do. He's over in Afghanstan just this weekend pretending like he's got a clue.

And the IMMEDIATE deflection to Bush from my Obama comment is noted. Democratic playbook stuff, easily exposed, even easier dismissed.

[Charles Martel]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

flip flopping is a stupid insult to throw at someone

If the shoe fits, I think it appropriate. Obama is a flip flop who makes Kerry look single minded.

[WickedLou9]

Originally Posted by Charles Martel

I don't see a single flip flop here. While you criticize Stars and Strioes and give me....CBS? Is this not the Dan Rather News stations so known for a lil made up memo?

Selective memory, Lou?

Free trade he's NEVER stepped back from. The Iraq war not one step backwards.

Obama is a flip flopping sail fish out of water. A coward who sticks his thumb in the air to decide what to do. He's over in Afghanstan just this weekend pretending like he's got a clue.

And the IMMEDIATE deflection to Bush from my Obama comment is noted. Democratic playbook stuff, easily exposed, even easier dismissed.

I'm not criticising the S&S, just saying that they are a biased source. I have to take what they write about with a grain of salt, knowing that thier voice is subject to military brass approval.

Anyway, you don't see any flip flops? I think you have your partisan blinders on.

Here is more:
President Bush: Flip-Flopper-In-Chief

Aparently there were so many that someone made a website about them:
More than 50 Bush Flip-Flops
This site has referances for every citation.


I'm just trying to point out the hipocracy of it all. Calling someone a flop flopper is about as innane and meaningless as it gets.

[WickedLou9]

Originally Posted by Charles Martel

If the shoe fits, I think it appropriate. Obama is a flip flop who makes Kerry look single minded.

I mean that it's not really an insult. Humanity is a flip flopper. The earth is flat. Oh here is data that proves it's round. Well I guess it's round.
We are constantly taking in new information and revising our opinions on things. I don't see how that is a bad thing. SOmehow it got turned into a negative character trait by the GOP during the last election cycle.

[Charles Martel]

Lou, read some of these flip-flops in your links....c'mon? Bush has NEVER wavered on a womans right to choose, neither on Iraq, Afghanistan, North Korea, he has been rock solid on tax cuts, Social security, free trade, faith-based programs, he's been out front, on point.

[Charles Martel]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

I mean that it's not really an insult. Humanity is a flip flopper. The earth is flat. Oh here is data that proves it's round. Well I guess it's round.
We are constantly taking in new information and revising our opinions on things. I don't see how that is a bad thing. SOmehow it got turned into a negative character trait by the GOP during the last election cycle.

By the GOP? SO when Kerry voted for before he voted against...and is Catholic but stands for nothing Catholic.....and is in Cambodia or wherever he wasn't...questions begin to emerge.

However, this forum concerns Afghanistan and the media and Obama getting their stories wrong....again.

[Rouger2]

Originally Posted by Charles Martel

I don't remember the current President flip flopping. We are a divided country but, we are one nation....that needs leadership and quality representation.

And he has NOT followed the party line. He's flip flopping on huge issues and what does that say to our ememies, who would you want to take issue with? A president who doesn't step backwards, a President who has resolve and doesn't flip flop? Or a President who sticks his wet finger in the breeze to decide what to do?

Bush not a flip flopper. He said he was no nation builder look at him now.

[Charles Martel]

Originally Posted by Rouger2

Bush not a flip flopper. He said he was no nation builder look at him now.

Kinda difficult to have a conversation about Obama on these pages, I note the immediate deflection when his many flip flops are raised.

I'm to be convinced Bush is a flip flop on Iraq? After his poll numbers have been driven into the ground, refusing to set timelines, refusing to step backwards and instead surge when politically its a death knell. On point in an unpopular war, taking blame and credit as our cowardly Congress is too yellow to do so.

Can we talk about Obama? Is anyone permitted to criticize Obama. Can we remain on point here and talk about Obama for a tad?

Geez.

[WickedLou9]

Originally Posted by Charles Martel

By the GOP? SO when Kerry voted for before he voted against...and is Catholic but stands for nothing Catholic.....and is in Cambodia or wherever he wasn't...questions begin to emerge.

However, this forum concerns Afghanistan and the media and Obama getting their stories wrong....again.

Kerry voted for one bill and against a different bill. He voted for a bill that included a tax increase to pay for the war, and voted against a bill that paid for the war by borrowing. That is the most overused and stupid example ever.

[WickedLou9]

Originally Posted by Charles Martel

Kinda difficult to have a conversation about Obama on these pages, I note the immediate deflection when his many flip flops are raised.

I'm to be convinced Bush is a flip flop on Iraq? After his poll numbers have been driven into the ground, refusing to set timelines, refusing to step backwards and instead surge when politically its a death knell. On point in an unpopular war, taking blame and credit as our cowardly Congress is too yellow to do so.

Can we talk about Obama? Is anyone permitted to criticize Obama. Can we remain on point here and talk about Obama for a tad?

Geez.

this thread was supposed to be about the Media report on Afghanastan wasn't it?

[Rouger2]

Originally Posted by Charles Martel

Kinda difficult to have a conversation about Obama on these pages, I note the immediate deflection when his many flip flops are raised.

I'm to be convinced Bush is a flip flop on Iraq? After his poll numbers have been driven into the ground, refusing to set timelines, refusing to step backwards and instead surge when politically its a death knell. On point in an unpopular war, taking blame and credit as our cowardly Congress is too yellow to do so.

Can we talk about Obama? Is anyone permitted to criticize Obama. Can we remain on point here and talk about Obama for a tad?

Geez.

One of the big things that Bush ran on was that he was no nation builder. He was absolutely adament about it. When there was no wmds he grabbed a hold of nation building like a drowning man to a life raft. He was the one who got us in there so it would be hard for a man like him to back out.

[Schrödinger's Cat]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

I mean that it's not really an insult. Humanity is a flip flopper. The earth is flat. Oh here is data that proves it's round. Well I guess it's round.
We are constantly taking in new information and revising our opinions on things

Those are great qualities, having an opened mind, reviewing both sides of a debate and changing one's mind if the data contradicts the current understanding. I don't think he is doing that. He is changing before an election for political gain, not because he actually believes it, but because he wants to win. There's nothing new about this guy.

[Smull]

Obama has been flip flopping, more than I'm comfortable with, but I think your exaggerating how much and how serious these flip flops are.

The wiretapping thing is a flip flop, the Reverend thing is a flip flop. As for the timelines, Obama should really just man up and say he was wrong about the surge, this doesn't strike me so much as a flip flop but rather dodging an issue, shame on him either way tho. The SC thing is trickier, his vote may not have been against them due to views on gun ownership, maybe it was because of thier views on abortion or any other endless list of issues.

[Charles Martel]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

Kerry voted for one bill and against a different bill. He voted for a bill that included a tax increase to pay for the war, and voted against a bill that paid for the war by borrowing. That is the most overused and stupid e