McCain traded in his Maverick badge for a Rubber Stamp.

[6SpeedTA95]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

There are 1000x of ways to torture someone without putting them in mortal danger, just ask yourself if you want US soldiers subjected to that

Like ripping off someones fingernails with pliers...absolutely non-fatal but its absolute torture by anyones standards

You are falling back on some sort of ticking time bomb strategy, and again you torture someone good enough they'll tell you they started the Chicago fire...it produces bad intelligence

Torture has never been a reliable way of extracting information, and it never will be...

I dont think the military should torture, so I dont think our soldiers should go through it. The CIA is NOT the military.

[motivez]

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

So is the constitution a suicide pact or what?

There's been evidence that supports the fact that we get valuable information out of TERRORIST by using "questionable" means. So where and when do you draw the line? This is a question I've asked myself over and over and over.

So to those that are so sure of themselves how and when do you know to use what methods? What is torture? what isn't?

Actually there's no evidence that it provides reliable information, and every military person who's spoken about this subject agrees.. from McCain (used to), to people in the Pentagon, to Colin Powell..

[motivez]

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

I dont think the military should torture, so I dont think our soldiers should go through it. The CIA is NOT the military.

So you're alright with the US violating current laws on the books, going against our principles, violating an international agreement that we are but one signatory to, and further degrading America's reputation in the world for what every credible person on the matter says is an unreliable and worthless way to get information... as long as it's done by an organization other than the military?