Originally Posted by motivez The only circular logic is the one you've been employing to set double standards. The allied forces were invaders, however, the Germans invaded the internationally recognized territory of other countries, Georgia did not. yeh right. Georgia invaded SouthOssetia, a region of which it has never had ...
08-15-2008, 10:21 PM
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| Viva Fidel  Socialist Glasgow, Scotland, UK 
| Originally Posted by motivez yeh right. Georgia invaded SouthOssetia, a region of which it has never had de facto control of. 
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08-16-2008, 04:34 AM
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| Lurker  Conservative Party
| South Ossetia has only had de-facto control over its own affairs for a little more than a decade. No one in the international community recognized either provinces as independant states. Hell, South Ossetia has a population of just 70,000. That's smaller then the town I grew up in. Georgia has a right to hold on to her territory. Do South Ossetians have the right to govern themselves? Sure. Do they therefore have the right to secede from Georgia? No. Georgia launched an internal operation to regain control of territory that is internationally recognized as part of Georgia. The Russians have no buisness in this affair. | ||||
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08-16-2008, 12:40 PM
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| Viva Fidel Socialist Glasgow, Scotland, UK
| Originally Posted by C4Casey
So i am to assume that you were outraged at the US encouraging Kosovan seccession from Serbia ? The US and UK were the first to recognise Kosovan independance, undermining Serbian territorial integrity. Russia warned you at the time that this was opening a pandora's box, with Abkhazia and South Ossetia in mind. It is total hypocrisy. | ||||
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08-16-2008, 06:10 PM
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| Lurker Conservative Party
| Kosovo's citizens were being ethnically cleansed. South Ossetians were not. And no, I was not in whole hearted support of Kosovo's independence. I thought Serbia deserved at least some say in the matter. | ||||
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08-16-2008, 06:46 PM
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| Member  libertarian Kutztown PA
| If Russia is so concerned with the South Osetian people being free to govern themselves, just like Kosovo was granted freedom from their oppressive government, then their next move will be to grant Chechnya its independence. Until Czar Putin does this I'm calling his BS. | ||||
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08-16-2008, 08:27 PM
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| Arse Anarchist Halifax, Nova Scotia
| Originally Posted by Joe Castro It is hypocrisy.
the U.S. bombed Serbia for about 80 days forced it to surrender Kosovo, but now condemns Russia for commiting a similar act. And Serbia has a far greater claim to Kosovo than Georgia has to South Osseti and Abkahzia. It was wrong for the U.S. to interfere in Serbia, it was wrong for the Georgians to invade South Ossetia, and it is wrong for Russia to interfere as well. | ||||
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08-21-2008, 10:27 AM
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| Never, never, never give up  Conservative Party High Point, NC
| Originally Posted by Angus_Aboot Kosovo was a humanitarian nightmare and the whole WORLD was involved and was demading something be done. Quite different than South Osseti.
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08-26-2008, 02:29 AM
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| Arse Anarchist Halifax, Nova Scotia
| Originally Posted by Stylerod Who cares what the whole world demands? It changes nothing.
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08-26-2008, 12:37 PM
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| Viva Fidel Socialist Glasgow, Scotland, UK
| Originally Posted by Angus_Aboot Quite right. It also ignores the fact that most of the world did not demand, most of the world knew it was opening a pandoras box. The pic below shows this.
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08-29-2008, 06:29 AM
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| [hi-5]  Independent Los Angeles, CA
| Originally Posted by Angus_Aboot Um I think the overly popular opinion has some weight over the minority. Georgia screwed up when they attacked South Ossetia, but Russia showed their true colors right when it crossed into known Georgia territory was that they wanted to destroy Georgia's infrastructure. The United States didn't try to destroy the country of Serbia, it was standing up for a secession. If Russia did the same it would be a different story, it wasn't. They saw an opportunity to attack a neighboring ex-Soviet Nation.
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08-29-2008, 11:56 AM
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| Arse Anarchist Halifax, Nova Scotia
| Originally Posted by kombayn I completely disagree. Using that logic you can justify slavery and a billion other injustices.
Originally Posted by kombayn And?
Originally Posted by kombayn Yeah, bombing a country for 4 months isn't destruction. Also, Clinton bombed Serbia without the consent of congress, the House of Reps actually voted against him, but he did it anyway. Go America! They also used made up propaganda to justify the bombing and he sided with the KLA an organization which even Clinton labeled as a "terrorist group" in 1997. Finally, when was it the United State's job to stand up for secession (by interfering)?
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