US, Poland agree to missile defense deal

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Again...WHY Poland? Germany is right next to Poland.

Germany may not want the missiles there.

But I agree. I haven't really heard a good reason why we are setting up those missiles in Poland. I had thought the Polish requested it. Which would be fine. But that article seems to say that we are training their military in exchange for keeping the missiles there. So I have no idea.

[WickedLou9]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Again...WHY Poland? Germany is right next to Poland.

it has to go somewhere. If we put it in Germany, then why not Poland? Would Russia care any more or less if it was in Germany vs Poland? Perhaps it was a matter of influence. Poland needed our help, we needed a place to put the interceptors. . I really don't know.

[Schrödinger's Cat]

We should be doing more to help our friends in Eastern Europe than we currently are.

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by Schrödinger's Cat

We should be doing more to help our friends in Eastern Europe than we currently are.

Like we helped Georgia get attacked? I think they can go without that help.

[Schrödinger's Cat]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Like we helped Georgia get attacked? I think they can go without that help.

Other countries can decide for themselves if they want to be friends with us or want our help. While more countries boarding Russia want closer ties to the West, Russia gets more nervous... why?

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by Schrödinger's Cat

Other countries can decide for themselves if they want to be friends with us or want our help. While more countries boarding Russia want closer ties to the West, Russia gets more nervous... why?

And when Russia or China has close ties with Iran or North Korea...we chastise them do we not? The point is that if we're going to fuck around in Georgia and we're going to fuck around in Poland, we need to stfu about what other countries do...which we don't. We're a bunch of hypocritical whiney crybabies. Look at the events in Georgia. Russia apparently had an issue with something Georgia did and they fixed it. We did the same thing in Iraq and they don't even border us and we have the balls to chastise Russia for doing what they did?

[Schrödinger's Cat]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

And when Russia or China has close ties with Iran or North Korea...we chastise them do we not? The point is that if we're going to fuck around in Georgia and we're going to fuck around in Poland, we need to stfu about what other countries do...which we don't. We're a bunch of hypocritical whiney crybabies. Look at the events in Georgia. Russia apparently had an issue with something Georgia did and they fixed it. We did the same thing in Iraq and they don't even border us and we have the balls to chastise Russia for doing what they did?

They either want to be part of democratic and freedom-loving countries or they don't. I didn't agree with the Iraq war, but the fact it happened doesn't give the Russians a green light to invade and pillage Georgia. Neither does it give them the right to intimidate their other neighbors. Besides, you sounded as if the USA was responsible for Russia's invasion.

Like we helped Georgia get attacked? I think they can go without that help.

That is ludicrous.

[Angus_Aboot]

Originally Posted by Schrödinger's Cat

We should be doing more to help our friends in Eastern Europe than we currently are.

What do you mean by "we?"
We as in people or we was in government?

[motivez]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Tell that to the "Axis of Evil" members.

Who's forcing them to do otherwise? We've employed diplomacy to try to get them to join the international community in cooperation

I think Iran has a right to produce nuclear power technologies under the NPT, a treaty we've routinely violated when it comes to our allies (see: India)

[kombayn]

Russia already trying to talk tough again. They threatened Poland again, this time for taking this deal with our country. I hope Putin knows what he's doing because he can't expect to keep pushing our countries buttons, especially if McCain gets elected, he's the one with the short temper that'll tell Putin to "Go fuck himself and be prepared for the consequences."

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by kombayn

Russia already trying to talk tough again. They threatened Poland again, this time for taking this deal with our country. I hope Putin knows what he's doing because he can't expect to keep pushing our countries buttons, especially if McCain gets elected, he's the one with the short temper that'll tell Putin to "Go fuck himself and be prepared for the consequences."

And what exactly are we going to do? Our bungles in Iraq and Afghanistan showed the world we're not the well oiled war machine we were thought to be and this "uprising" by Russia is a direct reflection of that.

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by Schrödinger's Cat

They either want to be part of democratic and freedom-loving countries or they don't. I didn't agree with the Iraq war, but the fact it happened doesn't give the Russians a green light to invade and pillage Georgia. Neither does it give them the right to intimidate their other neighbors. Besides, you sounded as if the USA was responsible for Russia's invasion.

Russia didn't "invade and pillage" Georgia. They responded to an attack...just like Israel and the US do. The people of Ossetia want freedom and out of Georgia's control...why is it bad Russia helps them achieve that goal? We're all about freedom right?

Originally Posted by Schrödinger's Cat

That is ludicrous.

No, no it isn't. Do you think it's coincidence that Georgia had so many troops in Iraq?

[motivez]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

And what exactly are we going to do? Our bungles in Iraq and Afghanistan showed the world we're not the well oiled war machine we were thought to be and this "uprising" by Russia is a direct reflection of that.

Actually, our military has performed extremely well in both countries, you can't fault them for the lack of planning at the top tiers of government for the occupation.

The actual invasion and toppling of Saddam was very well planned and executed with tremendous precision.

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by motivez

Actually, our military has performed extremely well in both countries, you can't fault them for the lack of planning at the top tiers of government for the occupation.

The actual invasion and toppling of Saddam was very well planned and executed with tremendous precision.

The military is more than just the troops on the ground. There's a LOT of failure above them.

[Schrödinger's Cat]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Russia didn't "invade and pillage" Georgia. They responded to an attack...just like Israel and the US do. The people of Ossetia want freedom and out of Georgia's control...why is it bad Russia helps them achieve that goal? We're all about freedom right?

You really think Russia wants to free S. Ossetia and Abkhazia? This has gone way past these separatist movements gaining recognized independence. Russia has its own agenda.

No, no it isn't. Do you think it's coincidence that Georgia had so many troops in Iraq?

So you think that because Georgia supported the US with Troops that the US is responsible for a Russian invasion?

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by Schrödinger's Cat

You really think Russia wants to free S. Ossetia and Abkhazia? This has gone way past these separatist movements gaining recognized independence. Russia has its own agenda.

You really think the US cared about Iraqi freedom or their oil? Talk about other agendas.

Originally Posted by Schrödinger's Cat

So you think that because Georgia supported the US with Troops that the US is responsible for a Russian invasion?

Throw into it that we give them weapons, training and probably put their president in power...then yes...our meddling contributed to this event.

[Schrödinger's Cat]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

You really think the US cared about Iraqi freedom or their oil? Talk about other agendas.

Of course, the US has an agenda in Iraq (I already said I disagreed with that war). That still doesn't mean the Russians are as righteous as you claim.

Throw into it that we give them weapons, training and probably put their president in power...then yes...our meddling contributed to this event.

None of that explains how the US is responsible for the continuing invasion of Georgia by Russia. Are you telling me that Russia had no choice to do what they are doing? Talk about delusion.

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by Schrödinger's Cat

Of course, the US has an agenda in Iraq (I already said I disagreed with it). That still doesn't mean the Russians are as righteous as you claim.

Didn't say they were "righteous" but what's good for the goose...

Originally Posted by Schrödinger's Cat

None of that explains how the US is responsible for the continuing invasion of Georgia by Russia. Are you telling me that Russia had no choice to do what they are doing? Talk about delusion.

They had plenty of choices...one included the choice they are acting upon.

[Smull]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Didn't say they were "righteous" but what's good for the goose...

That doesn't make sense, just because the U.S. did it doesn't mean Russia can do it, NEITHER country should be invading other sovereign nations. What the fuck, why do so many people think that America is the antichrist for invading Iraq, but Russia is some benevolent liberating force.

Originally Posted by Donkey®

They had plenty of choices...one included the choice they are acting upon.

That choice was illegal, and resulted in the deaths of thousands. Just as the U.S. invading Iraq was "a choice". You don't seem to be so nonchalant about that "choice"