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Old 09-24-2006, 10:14 AM   #41
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ok, it's 6pm for me
 
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Old 09-24-2006, 10:20 AM   #42
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4 minutes being nice and doing an intro...

then it starts "why didnt u do more?"

Clinton:
93 talks about conservatives wanted him out of Somalia...OBL had nothing to do with Black hawk down...not involved...it was about Adid, no serious person would disagree

points to Clarke...says they almost got bin Laden
Clinton authorized them to kill bin Laden

He STARTED comprehensive terrorism, first president to do so
After Cole he drew up invasion of afghanistan and full scale search for OBL...but the FBI and CIA refused to certify OBL was responsible for Cole before he left office

Right-wingers ridicule him for trying, but he tried and they didn't try

He left the country with first comprehensive terror strategy, plans to invade afghanistan and richard clarke (whom he regards the THE counter-terrorism expert in America)

Fox News asks Clinton people what they don't ask conservatives, don't ask why they didn't do things after Cole when they were in office, don't ask why they fired their best man (Clarke), don't ask a lot of questions about Bush failures

In 1996 and since, he got closest that anyone has everyone gotten to killing OBL

Entire military was against Afghanistan, CIA and FBI wouldn't give him proper intel, so he left office without dealing with Cole

Serious disinformation campaign, he was vigorous, right wingers said he was obsessed and it was all wag the dog, yet now they said he didn't do enough
 
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Old 09-24-2006, 10:22 AM   #43
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excellent... i want to see how the usual suspects twist this
 
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Old 09-24-2006, 10:27 AM   #44
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About Karl Rove BS:

They use security wedge issues, in 2002 they switched around their homeland security bill and then ran on that, made up security issue that wasn't there

Dems want to implement 9/11 recommendations, work on energy indepedence, strengthen mission in Afghanistan

Dems will win if voters aren't scared

WH trying to scare American voters
 
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Old 09-24-2006, 10:29 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM View Post
excellent... i want to see how the usual suspects twist this
end of interview...

I'll post what the FN "panel" writes

I quoted it because its loaded with conservatives and Juan Williams is the one moderate
 
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Old 09-24-2006, 10:31 AM   #46
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who was on it. dickie morris and krauthammer?
 
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Old 09-24-2006, 10:42 AM   #47
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Panel: Brit Hume (conservative), Fred Barnes (far-right conservative), Maria (From NPR, but she's right-of-center), Juan Williams (moderate)

Hume says its about his legacy, and he is defending that

Maria confused why Clinton is sensitive, maybe PT911

Fred says Clinton did "a lot" but unusually worried legacy

Juan, has a right to attack fox, "wag the dog" WAS all over DC, WJC acted in an aggressive fasion against terror, Bush admins didn't even know who OBL was, ignored Clarke

Hume, Clinton didn't have national will behind him on terror, claims first WTC would have been enough for national rally

Maria, completely dodges question

Juan, press gave WMD pass to Bush

(second half of panel to come after commercials)
 
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Old 09-24-2006, 10:44 AM   #48
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Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM View Post
who was on it. dickie morris and krauthammer?
Their best "panel" i saw was Bill Krisol, Charles Krauthammer, Fred Barnes and Brit Hume

1 Strong Conservative and 3 Ultra-Conservatives

It'd be like having Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Russ Feingold, and Lincoln Chafee as the "fair and balanced" Panel on MSNBC...ofcourse everyone would call it a joke, but because its Fox News they get a pass

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Old 09-24-2006, 10:50 AM   #49
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Old 09-24-2006, 10:54 AM   #50
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2nd half of panel:

news that iraq is creating more terrorists than pre-911

Fred, says it would be growing despite Iraq, Iraq doesn't mean anything

Williams, we're using 1/7th the troops in Afghanistan on resurgent Taliban
Iraq generating more terrorists than Palestine is (Which is remarkable if you look back at the 70s, 80s, 90s)

Hume, we don't know enough about intelligence report to conclude
Doesn't understand why Iraq would inflame muslims

Maria, impossible to say what we could have done differently

about terror detaines
Fred, only thing given up is widespread water torture

Maria, Bush won the argument, McCain/Graham lost

Williams, President won, torture is allowed, reprehensible that US would take part in that

Hume, torture is off the table, that talk is "huey"
 
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Old 09-24-2006, 10:55 AM   #51
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In conclusion, what a bunch of friggin handjobs except Williams, I almost forgot why I never watch the panels, its like conservative spin zone with moderate Williams trying to interject 5 seconds of reality and being talked over
 
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Old 09-24-2006, 10:56 AM   #52
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hume is also the managing editor
 
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Old 09-24-2006, 11:00 AM   #53
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Here we go, fixing to start now...
 
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Old 09-24-2006, 11:00 AM   #54
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Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM View Post
hume is also the managing editor
Yeah I skip his news program because if you watch all internet news articles and see what HE covers, you can see how selective he is in taking out items about Bush looking bad unless it is headline news on all the networks
 
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Old 09-24-2006, 11:02 AM   #55
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Fox News must be the devil; those people smell like sulfur.
 
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Old 09-24-2006, 11:03 AM   #56
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Here we go...
 
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Old 09-24-2006, 11:03 AM   #57
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what the gay
 
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Old 09-24-2006, 11:05 AM   #58
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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz View Post
Fox News must be the devil; those people smell like sulfur.
look at the facts... you can't deny it.

70mil+ fox news viewers are getting a DAILY skewed view of what's really going on...

how many NYT subscribers are there? and you bitch and moan about that every day
 
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Old 09-24-2006, 11:25 AM   #59
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Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM View Post
look at the facts... you can't deny it.

70mil+ fox news viewers are getting a DAILY skewed view of what's really going on...

how many NYT subscribers are there? and you bitch and moan about that every day
How are the facts skewed? They have Clinton himself on there.

And I don't bitch and moan about the NYT at all; certainly my occasional 'they are biased to the left' is nothing compared to the constant "Fox News is terrible" comments. We even have a Fox News smilie...one where the smilie crushes it. It's getting rather pathetic.

If they were really so wrong, you'd think nobody would pay attention to them. Instead you liberals constantly harp on them; they must be doing something right.
 
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Old 09-24-2006, 11:29 AM   #60
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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz View Post

If they were really so wrong, you'd think nobody would pay attention to them. Instead you liberals constantly harp on them; they must be doing something right.
it's all wrong that's why us liberals are harping on them
 
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