I dunno whether it's moral, but the lack of structure and screening in non catholic denominations really bothers me. I mean, what makes your mother, or any other person, qualified to tell people what god really thinks and wants? How kids should handle problems in their lives? I think the ...
09-24-2006, 02:37 PM
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| I dunno whether it's moral, but the lack of structure and screening in non catholic denominations really bothers me. I mean, what makes your mother, or any other person, qualified to tell people what god really thinks and wants? How kids should handle problems in their lives? I think the catholics are also wrong, but at least they're consistent. At least with catholics, priests have to go through standardized, rigorous training in the seminary before they're unleashed into the world to mold young minds. With these other denominations, anybody is allowed to assume the role of god's mouthpiece, and when you're dealing with kids so young, they have no filter to tell whether the speaker is crazy or not. If I had no training or education, and wanted to become a counselor, psychologist and teacher, I'd never be allowed to. But throw out the magic word "religion," and you get a pass. | ||||
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09-24-2006, 06:57 PM
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| One American Family at a Time.  Idealist The OC, California
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz 
Well, my mom has ulterior motives. She is living away from her family so she is out in a small town alone. She is BiPolar, and isn't capable of having friendships with people her own age because she constantly fights with them. So instead, she is "befriending" the youth because she can look like an authority figure and they don't question her. I don't know if agree with you about these kids knowing what they are confessing or changing into. When I was 14 I convinced myself that I wanted to practive Paganism. If she was having kids over to her house to talk about Witchcraft, Islam, or Hinduism, then I do agree that there might be a different tone...but becuase Christianity is a majority religion here, it's just like, conforming these kids. The parents aren't involved, and I don't think she would have liked other adults talking to her kids at impressionable ages about their spirituality and faith behind her back, I know she wouldn't. But in her mind, she is going the right thing because she's thinks she is bringing these kids closer to God. I do have a problem with her not acknowlleging that this is BELIEF and not TRUTH (which ironically has been spoken about alot over the weekend on TV). She is not presenting a Truth to these kids, she is presenting her own warped version of Chrisianity, which coming from Orange County California is extreme and fundamentalist, and she's told me that she's trying to make a change in her new small town. She told me that it was her goal to "save" every teen in her town. She told me she wanted to go to the High School (there are TWO in this one town.) and bring Pizza and soda for the kids for free, so she can have an opportunity to talk to the kids about Jesus. I believe she is manipulating them, and it has nothing to do about whether I agree with her faith or not, I would feel the same if she were Mormon, or Catholic... | ||||
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09-24-2006, 07:00 PM
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| One American Family at a Time. Idealist The OC, California
| Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo Well, that was the whole idea with the Protestants. The whole basis is that each individual is in charge of their own salvation, and that essentially every person who reads the Bible, and interprets it their way, that they are reading it the right way because that's how God is speaking to them...
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09-24-2006, 08:12 PM
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| Originally Posted by IminWonderland Yeah, real fair and balanced.
It's clear your hatred for Christianity clouds your judgement on anything Christians may do, and therefore makes it difficult to really talk reasonable to you about it. | ||||
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09-24-2006, 08:13 PM
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| Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo Screening?!!! Are you seriously saying religion needs to be screened in the US?!!!
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09-24-2006, 09:50 PM
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| One American Family at a Time. Idealist The OC, California
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz Hey, I'm far from FOX News....I don't try to be fair and balanced.
But, as of yet, we don't have people taking kids into their homes and trying to essentially brain wash them into Hinduism, do we? If they were her own kids, then I could understand (even though that would suck for me.) But these aren't her kids. | ||||
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09-24-2006, 11:26 PM
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| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz You act as if I want the government to screen people.
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09-24-2006, 11:34 PM
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| Originally Posted by IminWonderland Yeah, that was a great idea at first...you know, the Catholic Church only reading in Latin and trying to force people to go through them to get to Heaven...
Trouble is that protistantism has nothing to do with independence anymore. There are 11tybillion TV preachers and whatnot explaining the Bible to you, and even people like your mother explaining the Bible to people...so it seems that if all this explanation is necessary, the idea that you can read it yourself and get your own interpretation kinda fell apart somewhere. Aparently people still feel like they need to be taught God's will. This probably has a lot to do with the failure to translate the Bible into plain modern English. It reads like a fucking Old English novel that the average person has a very hard time understanding. And when you think about it, there's no rational reason for this either...keeping antiquated phrases like "thou art," instead of "you are" in the Bible serves no purpose, other than to confuse people and make the Bible seem mysterious. At any rate, the end result is that people still need a "learned" teacher to understand God's word, just like when the Catholic Church was around...the only difference now is that every charismatic person of questionable knowledge and sanity has assumed the role of preacher, whereas at least the Catholic Church had a set dogma and screened priests to make sure they actually knew what they were talking about. | ||||
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09-25-2006, 07:37 AM
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| Banned Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by IminWonderland As long as you admit it...
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09-25-2006, 03:53 PM
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| One American Family at a Time. Idealist The OC, California
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz The beef is that they are being told they can come to her house, hang out like it's a club house, pizza provided, and then while they are there, my mother starts preaching the "gospel", and then suddenly after ONE meeting, these kids are ready to convert.
But, there is no way that they know enough about what she is teaching to be able to make that decision with an open mind or heart. She is manipulating them. And no, not all religions do that with the young. You said "their young". These kids are not "her young". They are "other people's young". Is there not a line there? | ||||
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09-25-2006, 04:03 PM
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| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz And we, as a society and legally, realize that kids below a certain age aren't capable of making informed decisions, so that they do things "voluntarily" isn't really important. Kids are too stupid to know what they want. That's why they can't enter into contracts, consent to sex, etc. The only people who can make decisions for them in their youth-induced impaired mental state are their parents, who can brain wash them all they want. But some random woman? Acting in a de facto capacity as a psychologist, conselor and teacher with no credentials, supervision or screening? Something doesn't seem right here.
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09-25-2006, 04:06 PM
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| If the kids are going to be going to your mother's house on a regular basis, why don't you have your mom make their parents sign permission slips? It seems like the morally and legally correct thing to do. | ||||
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09-25-2006, 04:18 PM
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| Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo
I should bring that up to her. Because I've asked her where the parents of these kids are, and she tells me that they aren't involved, they don't care, and they aren't like, keeping track. She touts it like she's going the parents a favor because the kids aren't out "sinning". Although, she has made it a weekly habit with these kids to toliet paper people's houses. I don't know whose house, apparently people they all know. But, I asked her how that was related to the Bible, and she told me "forgiveness". My mom is such a nut. | ||||
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09-25-2006, 04:19 PM
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| Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo 14 yr old kids are old enough to know what religion is, what it means, and whether or not they want to believe it.
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09-25-2006, 04:34 PM
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| One American Family at a Time. Idealist The OC, California
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz Are 14 year old kids old enough to have consensual sex?
Are 14 year old kids old enough to strap a bomb to themselves for God? Are 14 year old kids old enough to decipher manipulation for someone older? I believe 14 year old kids have a vague sense, but, I don't think they really know what they are getting into. And these small town 14 year old kids don't have access to what's out there, they don't know shit. They are eating the only thing they can get their hands on. And I can tell you right now, what she's teaching, and what she believes, is crazy bullshit. | ||||
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09-25-2006, 05:23 PM
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| Originally Posted by IminWonderland Wait til your kids are 14. You'll see how much sense they really have.
 We already know how you feel about Christianity. You don't need to let your personal opinions cloud your judgement on what these kids want to learn. | ||||
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09-25-2006, 05:43 PM
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| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz orly? 14 year old kids have their critical thinking skills up to par, huh? and you think 14 year old kids are free from undue influence from an older person who claims to speak for god?
i'd like to see your reaction if your 14 year old kid joined a cult. something tells me you wouldn't be such an advocate of empowering 14 year olds. | ||||
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09-25-2006, 05:48 PM
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| Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo What makes you think it doesn't happen already?
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09-25-2006, 05:52 PM
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| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz I'm sure it does, but that doesn't have any bearing on whether it's a good thing to give adults free reign to ensare kids into cults.
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09-25-2006, 05:58 PM
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| Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo I've never once complained about any kids learning about religion at any age, whether it be a religion I agree with or not. Not a single word. I like how you use that word 'ensnare' though. As if they're being hunted and trapped...
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