OK, my Mom is a born again Christian. She ministers to youth in her new town that she lives in, and holds Bible Study for teens out of her home. She was telling me that she thought it was great that she was having so many teens coming over to ...
09-23-2006, 01:26 AM
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| One American Family at a Time.  Idealist The OC, California 
| Is this right? OK, my Mom is a born again Christian. She ministers to youth in her new town that she lives in, and holds Bible Study for teens out of her home. She was telling me that she thought it was great that she was having so many teens coming over to God, and that so many of them are asking to baptized. Now, the parents aren't really involved with their kids going over there, and we all know how kids are when they are teens about telling their parents stuff. She told me that she tells them what it means (to her) to be a Christian, and explains scripture about being "saved" and "Born Again", and she says, that after she tells them this, that they ask her to "save" them after hearing this once. So what I want to know is... Is this moral? Is it right, in a Christian sense to do this without parents actually knowing? Can a 14 year old really make a decision like that after one Bible Study? Why doesn't this make sense to me? Just looking for another perspective on this, it rubs me the wrong way... | ||||
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09-23-2006, 02:36 AM
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| tyop speicalist Religion Moderator  Capitalist California
| Originally Posted by IminWonderland I would say it's okay for them (the children) to do it without their parents' consent or knowledge, much like I believe that kids should be able to see a psychologist without their parents' consent or knowledge.
Right off the bat, I'd say your mother's actions are immoral. She seemingly has an agenda, and that is to get 'em while they're young. She has ulterior motives. I don't think a 14yr old has the capacity to understand religion or politics.
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09-23-2006, 04:07 PM
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| Banned  Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| These kids are very able to understand religion and politics, if they want to. These kids are at the time in their lives where they are becoming their own persons, they are beginning to think for themselves, and certainly religion is in their capabilities. How is it immoral for your mom to provide Bible studies? Are these kids being forced by your mom to listen to her? Are they being forced to go? All your mom is doing is providing what the kids came there to hear. They want to learn about God and Christianity...she's giving it to them. Better yet, not only is your mom not forcing anything on them, but she's only explaining what it means to her, as you've stated. It's up to the kids to make that ultimate decision. I think it only rubs you the wrong way because you don't like Christianity  | ||||
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09-23-2006, 05:41 PM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator  Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz Would you feel the same way if she was preaching Islam and had all these kids showing up to listen?
What if she was preaching the militant Islam, would it still be ok with you? Afterall those kids are capable of making their own descisions and she wouldn't be forcing it on them. | ||||
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09-23-2006, 05:56 PM
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| Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent Why wouldn't I feel the same? They do it now I'm sure. I don't complain.
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09-23-2006, 05:57 PM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz There is no law breaking in the bible?
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09-23-2006, 05:58 PM
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| Banned Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent
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09-23-2006, 06:04 PM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz Incest, Bestiality, murder..none of those things are in the bible? | ||||
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09-23-2006, 06:26 PM
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| tyop speicalist Religion Moderator Capitalist California
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz All-inclusive exposure is more appropriate appropriate for these kids. They don't know shit about politics or religion. Eveangelicals have started the home-schooling "movement" to prevent their children from being exposed to things that they regard as "unChristian." This lady is attempting to do the same thing ... not advising the children to look into other religions or search for alternative world views. It may not necessarily be imposing, but it's certainly a persuasive technique. Rather, it's a fucking sales pitch.
I highly doubt it. That's why it's wrong. Whether she knows it or not, she's being manipulative.
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09-23-2006, 06:28 PM
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| tyop speicalist Religion Moderator Capitalist California
| Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent And that's a modest list. There's also genocide, rape, human sacrifice, slavery, and so much more...
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09-23-2006, 07:06 PM
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| Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent
Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here.
I said that nobody should teach people, kids especially, to do illegal things...in response to your 'militant class' question. And you ask if these things are in the Bible? Are you suggesting that her mom is teaching these kids to partake in incest, bestiality, and murder because the Bible tells them to? | ||||
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09-23-2006, 07:08 PM
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| Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby Evangelicals haven't started anything. This is a Bible study where people go to fellowship and learn. Bible studies have been around since the beginning of Christianity.
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09-24-2006, 01:20 AM
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| tyop speicalist Religion Moderator Capitalist California
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz 80% of the students at Patrick Henry University (an evangelical university in VA) were home schooled their entire life. Evangelicals do encourage home-schooling children as a means of not exposing them to "ungodly" things.
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09-24-2006, 01:32 AM
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| Last Starfighter  Independent Northern California
| Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby And all of it is argued outside of the context from both sides.
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09-24-2006, 02:09 AM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby I was starting slow.
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09-24-2006, 05:43 AM
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| tyop speicalist Religion Moderator Capitalist California
| Originally Posted by Diamond Cross No, actually there isn't. The Bible literally has all of those things in it. The only arguments otherwise are those that say it's all allegorical ... and even those people admit that it's in there but try to resolve the negative aspects of it by assigning it some positive symbolism.
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09-24-2006, 06:59 AM
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| Baka  Idealist Adelaide, Australia
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09-24-2006, 08:55 AM
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| Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby I won't deny that many families homeschool, but it's not solely to keep them protected. It's also to provide them a better education if they can't afford a public school. Trust me, after my high school experience, my parents now realize they probably should have sent me to another school or homeschooled me. However, that's not what's goin on here.
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09-24-2006, 08:55 AM
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| Banned Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by Kytro Do you have a problem with people practicing religion?
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09-24-2006, 01:38 PM
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| Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent none backed by Jesus.
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