So what happens if bin Laden is dead?

ballz2wallz · 09-23-2006, 02:51 PM

Will the argument of 'the US government hasn't used our resources to pursue the one man that is responsible for 9/11' be null and void? Isn't this almost as good as going in and assassinating him with our soldiers; setting it up so that he's unable to live in hiding? I think if he really is confirmed dead that the US will be held a bit higher

Scrum · 09-23-2006, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Will the argument of 'the US government hasn't used our resources to pursue the one man that is responsible for 9/11' be null and void? Isn't this almost as good as going in and assassinating him with our soldiers; setting it up so that he's unable to live in hiding? I think if he really is confirmed dead that the US will be held a bit higher

We should let all mass murders out of prison and let them die of natural causes.
Then we can claim each one a victory for the justice system and law enforcement.

No, this is no victory for us. It's sad that this guy continued on with his life and it's our falure that will never be fixed if he's dead.

ballz2wallz · 09-23-2006, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

We should let all mass murders out of prison and let them die of natural causes.
Then we can claim each one a victory for the justice system and law enforcement.

No, this is no victory for us. It's sad that this guy continued on with his life and it's our falure that will never be fixed if he's dead.

Don't you think bombing him, his fighters, and his country into oblivion forcing him to hide in caves for the rest of his life was outcome we were willing to accept?

If we took prisoners and left them on a deserted island to die of natural causes, I'd be ok with that too.

sj23 · 09-23-2006, 04:02 PM

Election time coming up......innnnnnteresting.

I can see the lines now if he is dead. If you vote Democrat more men like Bin Laden will pop up and threaten our security more than ever before.

Scrum · 09-23-2006, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Don't you think bombing him, his fighters, and his country into oblivion forcing him to hide in caves for the rest of his life was outcome we were willing to accept?

He was in hiding long before 9/11.

Yeah, we shook up the central part of his terror network, but they divide those things into cells. There is no central place to go after them.

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

If we took prisoners and left them on a deserted island to die of natural causes, I'd be ok with that too.

Except he isn't on a deserted island. He is around other extremeists who think he is a hero.

Scrum · 09-23-2006, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by sj23

Election time coming up......innnnnnteresting.

I can see the lines now if he is dead. If you vote Democrat more men like Bin Laden will pop up and threaten our security more than ever before.

They want it both ways. They want praise for taking him down, but they want people to think enough survived to stay scared.

ballz2wallz · 09-23-2006, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

He was in hiding long before 9/11.

But he had a whole country to provide for him...medical care, supplies, anything he wanted. Since then, he's been confined to the caves now, where any sort of support convoys would probably be detected. Essentially, he'd been cut off from the entire world, and that's just as good as shooting him in the head. Unless they have hospitals, farms, etc. in those caves. Which I doubt.

Scrum · 09-23-2006, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

But he had a whole country to provide for him...medical care, supplies, anything he wanted. Since then, he's been confined to the caves now, where any sort of support convoys would probably be detected. Essentially, he'd been cut off from the entire world, and that's just as good as shooting him in the head. Unless they have hospitals, farms, etc. in those caves. Which I doubt.

How do we know he's confined to caves?

We know he's in a country that loves him for standing up to us.

Stylerod · 09-23-2006, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by sj23

Election time coming up......innnnnnteresting.

I can see the lines now if he is dead. If you vote Democrat more men like Bin Laden will pop up and threaten our security more than ever before.

Here we go again. Every time something good happens within a year of an election the Dems always question the timing. Which again proves, what's good for America = Bad for the Democrats.

ballz2wallz · 09-23-2006, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

How do we know he's confined to caves?

We know he's in a country that loves him for standing up to us.

I think if he were 'out and about' so to speak, we'd have located him by now. Our technology is too advanced for that. He's most certainly hiding.

Donkey® · 09-23-2006, 11:19 PM

Who cares? Al Zarqawi is dead and the violence in Iraq increased. Attacks will go on whether he is dead or not. It's like saying Democracy died when Washington died.

Stylerod · 09-23-2006, 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Who cares? Al Zarqawi is dead and the violence in Iraq increased. Attacks will go on whether he is dead or not. It's like saying Democracy died when Washington died.

Don't be so upset. It hasn't even been confirmed yet! There's still hope he's alive!

motivez · 09-23-2006, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Don't be so upset. It hasn't even been confirmed yet! There's still hope he's alive!

Stop trolling.

Diamond Cross · 09-24-2006, 12:22 AM

I don't understand how is that trolling?

Anyway, here's your chance to find out:

By ELAINE GANLEY

PARIS (AP) - A leaked French intelligence document raises the possibility Osama bin Laden died of typhoid, but President Jacques Chirac said Saturday the report was "in no way whatsoever confirmed" and officials from Kabul to Washington expressed skepticism about its accuracy.

There have been numerous reports over the years that bin Laden had been killed or that he was dangerously ill, but the al-Qaida leader has periodically released audiotapes appealing to followers and commenting on current news events.

The regional French newspaper l'Est Republicain printed what it described as a copy of a confidential document from the DGSE intelligence service citing an uncorroborated report from a "usually reliable source" who said Saudi secret services were convinced that bin Laden had died.

The document, dated Thursday, was sent to Chirac and other top French officials, the newspaper said.

"This information is in no way whatsoever confirmed," Chirac said when asked about the document. "I have no comment."

Saudi Arabia's U.S. embassy said it had no evidence to support reports that Osama bin Laden is dead. "Information that has been reported otherwise is purely speculative and cannot be independently verified," the embassy said in a statement on its Web site.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said she had "no comment and no knowledge" about the report, while presidential spokesman Blair Jones said the White House could not confirm the report's accuracy. But two U.S. intelligence officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue, said U.S. agencies had no information to suggest bin Laden was dead or dying.

One of the U.S. intelligence officials said the report came from an unverified, unconfirmed source. If bin Laden were dead or dying, U.S. officials would expect to see telltale indicators that they are not seeing, the official said. The official did not explain what those indicators are, but such an event would probably trigger increased discussion among known extremists.

A senior official in Afghanistan's Foreign Ministry said he was very skeptical of the document, noting past false reports of the death of bin Laden. He would not let his name be used because he was not authorized to discuss the issue publicly.

Pakistani Ambassador to the U.S. Mahmud Ali Durrani told The Associated Press in an interview "everyone is speculating" about bin Laden.

"I think it would be very nice if we can confirm that he's dead," he said. "I don't think there's much truth to that," Durrani added. "If he were in Pakistan and we had firm intelligence, I can tell you with total certainty that we'd get him."

Many people suspect bin Laden and other al-Qaida leaders are hiding in the Pakistani mountains along the border with Afghanistan.

Among previous reports, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf said during the U.S.-led offensive that toppled Afghanistan's Taliban regime in late 2001 that he was "reasonably sure" bin Laden had been killed by U.S. bombing raids on the Tora Bora caves.

Bin Laden also was rumored to have kidney problems, but a physician detained by Pakistan on suspicion he was treating top Taliban and al-Qaida militants told AP in December 2002 that the al-Qaida leader was in excellent health when the physician saw him a year earlier.

The Washington-based IntelCenter, which monitors terrorism communications, said it was not aware of reports on the Internet speculating about bin Laden and a life-threatening illness.

"We've seen nothing from any al-Qaida messaging or other indicators that would point to the death of Osama bin Laden," IntelCenter director Ben N. Venzke told AP.

Al-Qaida would likely release information of bin Laden's death fairly quickly if it were true, said Venzke, whose organization also provides counterterrorism intelligence services for the U.S. government.

"They would want to release that to sort of control the way that it unfolds. If they wait too long, they could lose the initiative on it," he said.

IntelCenter said the last time it could be sure bin Laden was alive was June 29, when al-Qaida released an audiotaped eulogy for al-Qaida in Iraq leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who was killed by a U.S. air strike in Iraq earlier that month.

Chirac spoke at a news conference with Russian President Vladimir Putin and German Chancellor Angela Merkel in Compiegne, France, where the leaders were meeting.

Putin suggested leaks can be ways to manipulate. "When there are leaks ... one can say that (they) were done especially," he said.

Chirac said he was "a bit surprised" at the leak and had asked Defense Minister Michele Alliot-Marie to investigate how the document was published.

The document from DGSE, or Direction Generale de la Securite Exterieure, indicated the information came from a single source.

"The chief of al-Qaida was a victim of a severe typhoid crisis while in Pakistan on August 23, 2006," the document said. His geographic isolation meant medical assistance was impossible, the French report said, adding that his lower limbs were allegedly paralyzed.

According to the document, Saudi security services were pursuing further details, notably the place of bin Laden's burial.

When asked about the report during an appearance in Montreal, Afghan President Hamid Karzai said that if proven true, it would be "good news" for the entire world.

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Associated Press writers Katherine Shrader and Deb Riechmann in Washington, Anne Gearan in New York, Lauren Frayer in Cairo, Egypt, and Phil Courvette in Montreal contributed to this story.

My Way News - Officials Skeptical of Bin Laden Report

Scrum · 09-24-2006, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Don't be so upset. It hasn't even been confirmed yet! There's still hope he's alive!

These still time for us to catch him and bring him to justice.

Not that the republicans are all that interested in doing that. They are too busy getting the invasion of Iran planned.

Scrum · 09-24-2006, 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Here we go again. Every time something good happens within a year of an election the Dems always question the timing. Which again proves, what's good for America = Bad for the Democrats.

How is this good? A man escapes justice and dies of natural causes. He should have been detained by us and be rotting in a cell right now.

ballz2wallz · 09-24-2006, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

How is this good? A man escapes justice and dies of natural causes. He should have been detained by us and be rotting in a cell right now.

You're a half empty kind of guy. I'm a half full kind of guy.

A man that should have died could finally have died. That's good.

Stylerod · 09-24-2006, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

How is this good? A man escapes justice and dies of natural causes. He should have been detained by us and be rotting in a cell right now.

I'm guessing him dying that way wasn't the most pleasant way to die. But this reminds me of when Kenneth Lay died. People were screaming how it wasn't "fair" that he died before he could be punished the way THEY thought he should be punished. They are dead. They can't hurt anyone anymore. They aren't able to read, laugh, talk to friends and family anymore. They are dead. Everyone should be happy.

It just amazes me how some people will take good news like the death of OBL and still try to turn it into a negative. My dearest libs and Dems. You being happy about OBL's death will not mean you are giving up your values in hating Bush and his war(s). Ok? I won't make fun or say naaa naaa na na na or anything. It's OK to be pleased with this without any partisan feelings from anyone either way.

Scrum · 09-24-2006, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

It just amazes me how some people will take good news like the death of OBL and still try to turn it into a negative. My dearest libs and Dems. You being happy about OBL's death will not mean you are giving up your values in hating Bush and his war(s). Ok? I won't make fun or say naaa naaa na na na or anything. It's OK to be pleased with this without any partisan feelings from anyone either way.

Hey if you and people who vote for your party are happy letting mass murders go, it doesn't surprise me one bit.
It's what they have been doing for the past 5 years. Why would they change their tune now?

SpicyMcVoodoo · 09-24-2006, 03:26 PM

It'd probably be better for all concerned if he died of disease in a hole somewhere. There's no climactic fight to the death to secure his martyr celebrity status. We don't have to waste lives or resources tyring to find him. We don't have to deal with the massive security concerns of imprisoning him and putting him on trial. We don't have to deal with the people bent of revenge if we killed him. Hell, even if we did kill him, it might be better to put out the story that he died of typhoid...it'd be a loss for Republicans, but a win for the country.