Limbaugh: Obama a "classic case of affirmative action rearing it's ugly head"

[DosEquis]

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

Then why didn't he just say, "I don't know. But I support a womans right to chose"? Or was he trying to make it so he could not contradict his state senate record when it came to helping babies born from botched abortions? There were three bills proposed to help babies born from botched abortions and he opposed and kille dall three of them.

How could you NOT support that. A child is born, it is now a child because it is outside the body of the mother. It's trying to breathe and the medical staff isn't not supposed to do all it could to help the child? Can you, as an Obama supporter, explain that position please?

I can't speak for him and why he answered it that way, other than maybe he was just trying find a different way to say 'its still up for debate, and i dont know that answer'.

I don't know much about that specific situation or legislation that he voted "present" on. The straight forward way you ask the question without me knowing the details, I can't defend his position on that and wouldn't agree with him. I would have to read more about it. Based on his other positions and how well thought out his positions usually are, I am sure there was a reason he voted "present" instead of yes or no.

Personally I am pro-choice but anti-abortion.

[TankRizzo]

Originally Posted by Scrum

So his qualification was that he won a prior election.

Please tell me you're not trying to simplify it to that What don't you understand about holding the position and doing it for 10 years? Winning the election isn't the qualification part, it's DOING what you were elected to do. Obama was elected and not more than a year and a half later he stopped doing what he was elected to do to run for a better job.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by TankRizzo

Please tell me you're not trying to simplify it to that What don't you understand about holding the position and doing it for 10 years? Winning the election isn't the qualification part, it's DOING what you were elected to do. Obama was elected and not more than a year and a half later he stopped doing what he was elected to do to run for a better job.

So then list some policies that you think these people have enacted that makes them qualified to lead. Don't just keep saying "they held this prior office for x amount of time and it makes them qualified".

Doing the job in politics is often nothing more than keeping your job or getting yourself in the position to move up.

And he didn't stop doing his job to run for President. He's managed to show up for work a hell of a lot more than McCain has since the election started.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Scrum

Won the primary and he may win the general. That seems to be the only test you guys are requiring for past presidents to qualify.


I don't see how winning a prior election suddenly makes you qualified.

Did you just completely miss this part?

held a fairly important political position for about a decade

[motivez]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

He's right. He's not saying the guy isn't smart. He's not saying a black guy can't be president. He's saying, thruthfully, the only reason he is in the place he is is because he's black. Make him a white guy with the exact same background and there is NO WAY he would have ever beat Hillary.

And putting it into the context of Affirmative Action makes sense. How many blacks and minorities got accepted into college with lower grades than white students simply because of the color of their skin?

Right, he has nothing going for him but the color of his skin.

What a racist load of shit.

[motivez]

Originally Posted by 7960

rush doesn't speak for the republican party

No, but if he's talking about it openly, the idea is there among the general Republican mindset, perhaps simmering just beneath the water.

Just look at some of the Republican replies in this thread. Even Stylerod thinks that Obama is only where he is because he's black.

That his hard work, dedication, intellect, etc.. has nothing to do with it.

[motivez]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

And putting it into the context of Affirmative Action makes sense. How many blacks and minorities got accepted into college with lower grades than white students simply because of the color of their skin?

Feel free to provide some evidence that Obama only got into the schools he got into because he was black / because of Affirmative Action.

He didn't just attend elite institutions, he excelled at his studies while there. That's why he was voted into such a prominent position at the law review, etc..

I'm against Affirmative Action because I think it's a racist policy, but it's completely racist to suggest any successful black guy is only successful because he's black.

[motivez]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Bush was Governor for a full 5 year term.

Clinton aas Governor for 10 years.

Reagan was Governor for 10 years.

Obama hasn't even finished his first term as a Senator yet. He's as bad a pick as Edwards was, who also had no qualifications but was a good speaker.

Bush was more of a ceremonial governor than anything.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by motivez

Right, he has nothing going for him but the color of his skin.

What a racist load of shit.

No, it's fact. His color was huge in his success. That's not to say his intelligence didn't help, of course it did. But again, give his credentials to any other person, would they have gotten 98% of the black vote and beaten Hillary? No way.

He hasn't even finished his first term in office. He is woefully lacking in experience. All you have are his words to know what he is and will do. You have no proof of what he did prior to back up his words. And he has already back peddled on plenty of things he has said he was going to do.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by motivez

Feel free to provide some evidence that Obama only got into the schools he got into because he was black / because of Affirmative Action.

I wasn't talking about him.

Originally Posted by motivez

I'm against Affirmative Action because I think it's a racist policy, but it's completely racist to suggest any successful black guy is only successful because he's black.

But I was talking about him and how his color has helped him in this race. It's full of guilty Democrats that feel they are racist if they don't support him, even if he has done nothing to show he will be any good in the office.

[Scrum]

By this reasoning Jimmy Carter and George H.W. Bush are the two most qualified people to be President since they both held the office for 4 years already.

[motivez]

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

Obama is very smart. But has nothing new as he keeps spouting. Nothign fresh and certainly offers little change from the normal political process.

there are three reasons Obama is where he is right now:

1. He has an incredible campaign team
2. He can speech well to a crowd
3. He's black.

I'm black as well. But I have to face facts that if it was ANY other freshman senator(that was not black) he wouldn't have gotten the media recognition for peole to even knowhe was in the race. Also, black peole voted for him in record numbers. Granted, that may not be enough to swing a general, but it sure helped in the primary. I believe he got some 97% of the black vote. That's extreme!

As far as experience and intelligence goes. Sure, he's smart. But does he have wisdom? He's experience is so lacking for the highest political office on the planet it shocking and quite frankly scary. Why would you even want someone that has spent more time in teh federal senate trying to become president then they have as a sitting senator as your presidential nominee? That's an honest question. The man has no expereince of note on the federal level. John McCain is far from perfect, but at least he has an established record to critique. The same can't be said about Obama.

His incredible campaign team is a product of his leadership, is it not?

His exceptional oratory skills and ability to inspire people to get on board is certainly a quality of a good leader. If people don't want to follow your vision, you can't take anyone anywhere.

I disagree completely. His ability to give a great speech put him on the national stage, not the color of his skin. We've had other candidates who were black run for President, and they didn't get nearly as far.. because they didn't inspire people the way Obama as a leader does.

Look at the kind of experience Kennedy had before he became President. It wasn't all that different. Casting votes in the Senate isn't necessarily a qualification, so if you want to negate Obama's Senatorial experience because it's not "executive" experience, you have to negate John McCain's as well.

At least we can look at Obama's record in running the Harvard Law Review.. what exactly has McCain ever lead that ever tested him?

[motivez]

Originally Posted by 7960

there's no way to prove that's a fact, but I'd bet it is.

A lot of people didn't want Hillary because of all the baggage she brought with her. They wanted something different after these horrible last 8 years of Bush and such partisan fighting.. they wanted someone they saw as being able to bring people together and change the way things work

Get a younger, intelligent white guy with the same ability to give a great speech that inspires people to get behind his cause, and I think they could have defeated Hillary just like Obama did

Obviously race played a role, all you have to do is look at the exit polls of African Americans that overwhelmingly voted for Obama to see that something extraordinary was happening.. but the idea that it was the only reason he's here, like Stylerod, Rush Limbaugh, and probably some other Republicans want to suggest.. is a massive insult to him and every other successful black person.

[motivez]

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

But seriously. Who were people that were actually "well known" at the beginning of this past primary season? Hillary, Rudy, John Edwards, John McCain. That's really about it. Nobody in the country had heard of Obama because there was no reason to hear of him.

Then he came on the scene and was a unique fresh approach to the primary process. But not to politics in general.

People who follow politics a lot, the same people who typically vote in primaries had heard of Obama and thought he might run.. He gave an amazing speech that really fired people up at the DNC.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Scrum

By this reasoning Jimmy Carter and George H.W. Bush are the two most qualified people to be President since they both held the office for 4 years already.

I don't think they are running this year.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

I don't think they are running this year.

But they are the most qualified, right?

[7960]

Originally Posted by Scrum

So his qualification was that he won a prior election.

and ran a state that, if it was a country, would have the 10th largest economy in the world

yeah, that's the same as first-term junior senator

[motivez]

Originally Posted by TankRizzo