Limbaugh: Obama a "classic case of affirmative action rearing it's ugly head" - Page 7

Swift-Bass · 08-30-2008, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by motivez

I mean, exactly. He has an amazing ability to energize people and get them on board with his vision for the country, the likes of which we haven't seen for at least a generation.

His skin color is obviously attractive to some people, but if that was all they needed, you'd see similar results every time a black candidate has run for the office, and it just didn't happen.

So, saying that he's "only where he is because he's black" is bullshit,, and attributing his success to "affirmative action" is pretty racist, and aside from that, downright insulting.

The difference between Al Sharpton(race bater) and Jesse Jackson(race bater) is simply that they have a "blame the white man first" mentality. So of course they can't get a majority of American to vote for them. For a while, Obama transcended race. And he still could have, if he handled the rev Wright thing correctly.

So to compare Obama to Jackson or sharpton isn't equal on basis of ideology.

I'm still waiting for someone to show me another presidential candidate that got the same amount of black votes in a primary that obama did. If you do that, then I will concede that his race had nothing to do with it.

JaJae · 08-30-2008, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

The difference between Al Sharpton(race bater) and Jesse Jackson(race bater) is simply that they have a "blame the white man first" mentality. So of course they can't get a majority of American to vote for them. For a while, Obama transcended race. And he still could have, if he handled the rev Wright thing correctly.

So to compare Obama to Jackson or sharpton isn't equal on basis of ideology.

I'm still waiting for someone to show me another presidential candidate that got the same amount of black votes in a primary that obama did. If you do that, then I will concede that his race had nothing to do with it.

He initially didn't have the black vote. It wasn't until around SC that he started to pick up the black vote. They waited until he was a viable candidate to switch over from Hillary like most other demographics.

But even still I think we're arguing separate points. You're saying "then I will concede that his race had nothing to do with it." Nobody is saying his race didn't help him. In fact, I'm saying his race is what got him the initial attention he got. However, Hillary being the husband of Bill and a woman gave her a tremendous amount of attention early on, yet she was unable to capitalize on it. Slowly but surely people started disliking her and pulling their votes away. Obama was able to take that launching pad and monopolize on it through good campaigning. Keep in mind, in most primaries I believe Obama beat Hillary at the white vote. So even if no black person came out to vote for him he likely still would have won the nomination, but that of course isn't reality or a rational thought process.

Getting back to what I was saying earlier, nobody is saying race had "nothing to do with it." However, race wasn't the primary and sole factor as was evidenced by black politicians who came before him. By saying it was "affirmative action" it is amounting it to giving Obama the candidacy based primarily if not solely based on his race and discounts the fact that he ran a much better campaign than Hillary Clinton.

motivez · 08-30-2008, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

To the new clique of military bashing American haters?

Right, no one should be allowed to dare criticize America, the most perfect country ever, who's never made a mistake, always makes the right decisions, and so forth..

That's a pretty dangerous position to take.

motivez · 08-30-2008, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

The difference between Al Sharpton(race bater) and Jesse Jackson(race bater) is simply that they have a "blame the white man first" mentality. So of course they can't get a majority of American to vote for them. For a while, Obama transcended race. And he still could have, if he handled the rev Wright thing correctly.

So to compare Obama to Jackson or sharpton isn't equal on basis of ideology.

I'm still waiting for someone to show me another presidential candidate that got the same amount of black votes in a primary that obama did. If you do that, then I will concede that his race had nothing to do with it.

So in other words, no other black candidates that ever came before Obama count because they weren't Obama and didn't have Obama's message. Got it. Quite the standard you have there.

No one has said that Obama's race had nothing to do with it, only that the suggestion that he's only where he is because of his race is not only ludicrous and insulting, but racist as well.

And obviously his race hasn't helped him in some states (like WV, where polls showed a large number of people had race as a factor in not voting for Obama), and not with some Republicans like we've seen on this forum, who think the only way a black man could ever be successful is if he got there unfairly by way of Affirmative Action.

Donkey® · 08-30-2008, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

Then who do you think was good in American history?

Let's just say nobody in my lifetime.

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

To the new clique of military bashing American haters?

Yes, Obama is bashing the military so much that they all want to vote for him.

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

Ok, so you're honestly going to tell me if you were on the board of say, Honda. There was a guy that came to you with no experience running a company or even being on a board, but had a few degrees applied for the job of CEO. That you would actually hire him with no prior proof that he can make tough decision, handle things when the road is rough and will steer your company in the direction that you want? That would be radically irresponsible of any board member.

If we are replacing the last CEO who had a ton of experience and totally ran the company in the ground, yes...I would give a new turk the reigns and say "get us out of this mess." Just because you're old and experienced doesn't mean you can do the job. There's a reason the retirement age is what it is. Everyone seems to understand that except for politicians. McCain needs to go where he belongs....greeting people that walk through the doors of Walmart.

Swift-Bass · 08-30-2008, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

Right, no one should be allowed to dare criticize America, the most perfect country ever, who's never made a mistake, always makes the right decisions, and so forth..

That's a pretty dangerous position to take.

I'm talking about his friends that bash America and the military. Why is it when someone says something true about a democrat, like they have friends that hate America, it's the same as saying the country is perfect? Why does it always have to be one extreme or the other?

So in other words, no other black candidates that ever came before Obama count because they weren't Obama and didn't have Obama's message. Got it. Quite the standard you have there.

No one has said that Obama's race had nothing to do with it, only that the suggestion that he's only where he is because of his race is not only ludicrous and insulting, but racist as well.

And obviously his race hasn't helped him in some states (like WV, where polls showed a large number of people had race as a factor in not voting for Obama), and not with some Republicans like we've seen on this forum, who think the only way a black man could ever be successful is if he got there unfairly by way of Affirmative Action.

Again, where did I say that he's there only because he's black? I listed it as one of his factors.

In all honesty, motivez, you're taking every one of my statements and making them extremes. Why is that? I haven'et said anything in this thread about Obama that isn't true. So why the jump to conclusions.

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Let's just say nobody in my lifetime.

OK, but my question was who was a great president in American history in your opinion.

Yes, Obama is bashing the military so much that they all want to vote for him.

That's like saying all the women will vote for McCain now, let's wait for the results to come in.

If we are replacing the last CEO who had a ton of experience and totally ran the company in the ground, yes...I would give a new turk the reigns and say "get us out of this mess." Just because you're old and experienced doesn't mean you can do the job. There's a reason the retirement age is what it is. Everyone seems to understand that except for politicians. McCain needs to go where he belongs....greeting people that walk through the doors of Walmart.

Again, extremes. Ran the country into the ground? Is this the great depression? Are people in soup and bread lines? You are on a computer connected to the internet. Meaning that you must at least be having your daily needs met plus some. How is that running the country into the ground?

And John McCain should be in Wal-Mart? Is that not age discrimination as bad as you've been accusing others of racist views of Obama's success?

Also, that choice of someone new, with no experience to "get us out of this mess". Talk to anyone in corporate America and see if that's what they would do.

Donkey® · 08-31-2008, 06:32 AM

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

I'm talking about his friends that bash America and the military. Why is it when someone says something true about a democrat, like they have friends that hate America, it's the same as saying the country is perfect? Why does it always have to be one extreme or the other?

So what? "His friends" aren't him.

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

OK, but my question was who was a great president in American history in your opinion.

Doesn't matter to the point of the thread...let's say Washington, Roosevelt, Jefferson, Roosevelt and Lincoln.

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

That's like saying all the women will vote for McCain now, let's wait for the results to come in.

No, no it isn't. Yes, pin your hopes on the results.

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

Again, extremes. Ran the country into the ground? Is this the great depression? Are people in soup and bread lines? You are on a computer connected to the internet. Meaning that you must at least be having your daily needs met plus some. How is that running the country into the ground?

I see...so you're one of those "Well I am fine so all is well" elitist jackoffs...you go with your bad self.

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

And John McCain should be in Wal-Mart? Is that not age discrimination as bad as you've been accusing others of racist views of Obama's success?

The difference is my comment was a joke...the other comment is not meant to be one.

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

Also, that choice of someone new, with no experience to "get us out of this mess". Talk to anyone in corporate America and see if that's what they would do.

I don't need to "talk to anyone" when the examples are out there for all to see. BTW, how much experience did George Washington or any of the early presidents have?

Swift-Bass · 08-31-2008, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

So what? "His friends" aren't him.

but he did choose them to be his friends. That should make anyone question his judgement of character. A trait he has said he's very good at.

Doesn't matter to the point of the thread...let's say Washington, Roosevelt, Jefferson, Roosevelt and Lincoln.

Interesting that you chose presidents that were almost exclusively going into, starting or coming out of a wartime era for the country.

I see...so you're one of those "Well I am fine so all is well" elitist jackoffs...you go with your bad self.

If you can't hold a conversation without a personal attack, we're done.

Donkey® · 08-31-2008, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

but he did choose them to be his friends. That should make anyone question his judgement of character. A trait he has said he's very good at.

And McCain is friends with people like Bush and Lieberman.

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

Interesting that you chose presidents that were almost exclusively going into, starting or coming out of a wartime era for the country.

Also notice there's nobody around the Korean, Vietnam or Iraq wars.

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

If you can't hold a conversation without a personal attack, we're done.

Awesome.

Swift-Bass · 09-01-2008, 12:29 AM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

And McCain is friends with people like Bush and Lieberman.

Amazingly, they don't want to blow up the pentagon or capital building.

Also notice there's nobody around the Korean, Vietnam or Iraq wars.

So you're saying we shouldn't have done any of those, interesting. I take it your an isolationist socialist.

Awesome.

Nah, changed my mind. It's actually fun having you try to justify your views that stifle innovation and opportunity.

Donkey® · 09-01-2008, 01:37 AM

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

Amazingly, they don't want to blow up the pentagon or capital building.

First of all, who are these so called "friends" of Obama you keep bringing up? Second, no, Bush and co. want to blow up other countries...not this one.

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

So you're saying we shouldn't have done any of those, interesting. I take it your an isolationist socialist.

I would say that's a decent statement.

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

Nah, changed my mind. It's actually fun having you try to justify your views that stifle innovation and opportunity.

As opposed to the ones with wealth and power keeping the masses down? Right.

Swift-Bass · 09-01-2008, 02:51 AM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

First of all, who are these so called "friends" of Obama you keep bringing up? Second, no, Bush and co. want to blow up other countries...not this one.

His buddy Ares that wishes he would've done more destruction to the country and his Pastor that Thinks America sponsors the KKK and that the government created AIDS specifically to kill black people.

I would say that's a decent statement.

And you think that's a good way to go? Just completely keep to ourselves without any trade with other countries? How would you get a great many of the items in your home right now?

As opposed to the ones with wealth and power keeping the masses down? Right.

What I believe in is not equality but equal opportunity. All people should have the same opportunity to succeed but also be held responsible for their actions. I'm not saying the current administration created that in America. The government should get out of the way of the people to let them pursue happiness. This is of course stopped when imposing on the rights of others.

But it is IMPOSSIBLE to have equal opportunity when a liberal government is in power because they will create a welfare state. That's right, FDR, as great as some of the things he did, came up with the new deal. And the beginning of the welfare state we're in now.

Let me ask you something about leftist policies and practices. New Orleans, before Katrina, was run almost entirely by liberal democrats. Shouldn't it have been a shining example of what that ideology can do when practiced? Why wasn't it as close to perfection as it could get?

Sorry forgot about this one before:

Originally Posted by Donkey®

I don't need to "talk to anyone" when the examples are out there for all to see. BTW, how much experience did George Washington or any of the early presidents have?

They had enough experience to know that a large central government controlling it's citizens through taxation was NOT what makes a free country. Why do you think they had the revolution in the first place?

Scrum · 09-01-2008, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

His buddy Ares that wishes he would've done more destruction to the country and his Pastor that Thinks America sponsors the KKK and that the government created AIDS specifically to kill black people.

I hear his mailman is a 9/11 truther as well.

Donkey® · 09-01-2008, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

His buddy Ares that wishes he would've done more destruction to the country and his Pastor that Thinks America sponsors the KKK and that the government created AIDS specifically to kill black people.

I have no idea what you're talking about when you say "Ares". Is that a person? If he's Obmama's "buddy" how come I don't see him there hanging out with him? As far as the pastor goes...that has been hashed and rehashed and dismissed as an invalid accusation. Obama has addressed it. Should I really start looking into McCain's "friends"? You think none of McCain's "friends" have EVER said or done anything stupid?

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

And you think that's a good way to go? Just completely keep to ourselves without any trade with other countries? How would you get a great many of the items in your home right now?

First of all, I said nothing about trade. I don't care who we trade with. What I care about are things like Germany, Korea and the Middle East...we don't need to be there. We would have never been attacked on 9/11 if we weren't fucking around in the Middle East.

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

What I believe in is not equality but equal opportunity. All people should have the same opportunity to succeed but also be held responsible for their actions. I'm not saying the current administration created that in America. The government should get out of the way of the people to let them pursue happiness. This is of course stopped when imposing on the rights of others.

The problem with that is that people USE other people to gain their happiness. Without oversight we would have an even bigger gap between poor and rich.

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

But it is IMPOSSIBLE to have equal opportunity when a liberal government is in power because they will create a welfare state. That's right, FDR, as great as some of the things he did, came up with the new deal. And the beginning of the welfare state we're in now.

Right...so all those "conservatives" have done a bang up job ending the welfare state.

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

Let me ask you something about leftist policies and practices. New Orleans, before Katrina, was run almost entirely by liberal democrats. Shouldn't it have been a shining example of what that ideology can do when practiced? Why wasn't it as close to perfection as it could get?

What? What does this have to do with anything? Where the "liberal Democrats" messed up in New Orleans was not forcing people to evacuate...but wait a minute, that goes against your whole "people should take care of themselves" credo doesn't it?

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

Sorry forgot about this one before:

They had enough experience to know that a large central government controlling it's citizens through taxation was NOT what makes a free country. Why do you think they had the revolution in the first place?

Well Obama knows that too...I guess they are equals.

Swift-Bass · 09-01-2008, 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

I have no idea what you're talking about when you say "Ares". Is that a person? If he's Obmama's "buddy" how come I don't see him there hanging out with him? As far as the pastor goes...that has been hashed and rehashed and dismissed as an invalid accusation. Obama has addressed it. Should I really start looking into McCain's "friends"? You think none of McCain's "friends" have EVER said or done anything stupid?

William Ares, unrepentant terrorist. I've mentioned him before a few times in this thread.

First of all, I said nothing about trade. I don't care who we trade with. What I care about are things like Germany, Korea and the Middle East...we don't need to be there. We would have never been attacked on 9/11 if we weren't fucking around in the Middle East.