Spy Agencies Say Iraq War Worsens Terror Threat

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

What's not relevant? It sounds like kinggovernor is dismissing the notion that creating more terrorists makes us less safe...it sounds like he's saying the number of terrorists created because of Iraq is immaterial because anything could create a terrorist, and all it takes is a few to change our lives.

I don't think we create terrorists, there is a faction of Muslims that are heavily armed and want to the US harm. We have just made it easier for them to attack us by coming to Iraq

[SpicyMcVoodoo]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

I don't think we create terrorists, there is a faction of Muslims that are heavily armed and want to the US harm. We have just made it easier for them to attack us by coming to Iraq

I don't see how you could think this, but this difference of opinion is probably at the heart of why you and I disagree about Iraq.

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

I don't see how you could think this, but this difference of opinion is probably at the heart of why you and I disagree about Iraq.

I agree

[thatguyoverthere]

From what I understand, their motivation for hating us is rooted in the fact that we have our troops stationed near mecca and that we support rulers that are not very democratic, like in Saudi Arabia. They don't just hate us for no reason. I hope that someday we as a people can take a good hard look at the real reasons that they hate us instead of just blindly assuming that they hate us "just because."

What needs to be stressed again in this thread is that there is NO official dissent. All sixteen agencies agree. Not one disagrees.

This is bad news for everyone. Bad, bad news. Anyone trying to spin this into a positive has got quite an uphill battle. I kind of look forward to finding out how the right wing talking heads will try and spin this one tomorrow. If I could listen to Hannity without projectile vomiting, I would, just to see how he can try and tap dance around this one.

[IminWonderland]

Originally Posted by thatguyoverthere

From what I understand, their motivation for hating us is rooted in the fact that we have our troops stationed near mecca and that we support rulers that are not very democratic, like in Saudi Arabia. They don't just hate us for no reason. I hope that someday we as a people can take a good hard look at the real reasons that they hate us instead of just blindly assuming that they hate us "just because."

What needs to be stressed again in this thread is that there is NO official dissent. All sixteen agencies agree. Not one disagrees.

This is bad news for everyone. Bad, bad news. Anyone trying to spin this into a positive has got quite an uphill battle. I kind of look forward to finding out how the right wing talking heads will try and spin this one tomorrow. If I could listen to Hannity without projectile vomiting, I would, just to see how he can try and tap dance around this one.

I agree with you. Until we fully understand and attempt to understand the root of their issue (which is not necessarily EVIL), then we will never solve this problem.

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

I agree with you. Until we fully understand and attempt to understand the root of their issue (which is not necessarily EVIL), then we will never solve this problem.

they want power and they convert people to Islam to control people. they have been doing it for hundreds of years

[IminWonderland]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

they want power and they convert people to Islam to control people. they have been doing it for hundreds of years

Hmmm....that's funny, sounds like another religion we all know and love...

[nbiggershaft]

Originally Posted by motivez

But it's not relevant to the fact that our incursion into Iraq has not made us any safer, and has infact done the opposite.. contrary to the main reasoning used for continuing to stay there, ie: "The world is a safer place"

I think there is some discrepancy there. Many of us will admit that the Iraq war has worsened the terrorist threat. But I don't think that can really be extrapolated into saying staying there makes the world less safe. I disagree with the decision to go to war in Iraq. That said, leaving the country to religious fanatics won't help anyone. I think we've seen muslims as a whole are willing to embrace western, more liberal lifestyles and media, but their leaders are not. If Iraq, from here out, can be a success in establishing a western style democracy, it will be a severe blow to Islamic fundamentlism (and accordingly make the world a safer place). All we need now is a good propaganda machine to get them drinking cola and watching American Idol .

[nbiggershaft]

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

I agree with you. Until we fully understand and attempt to understand the root of their issue (which is not necessarily EVIL), then we will never solve this problem.

Ignorance, Religious leaders, and International greed.

First two are solveable, third ..... well ..... maybe they are fucked.

[IminWonderland]

Originally Posted by nbiggershaft

Ignorance, Religious leaders, and International greed.

First two are solveable, third ..... well ..... maybe they are fucked.

they = we

We are just as suseptable as they are. Documents can change, stories can change, leaders have motives....

It can happen anywhere, not just the Middle East.

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

Hmmm....that's funny, sounds like another religion we all know and love...

I have no love for Christianity

[IminWonderland]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

I have no love for Christianity

I am pointing out the parallel...