Intrade prediction market betting on Sarah Palin being pulled from ticket before the election

[WickedLou9]

Originally Posted by Angus_Aboot

She meets every explicit qualification to be vice-president, shes a naturally born citizen over the age of 35 who has resided in the U.S. for 14 years.
And again, many, many vice-presidents and presidents have had neither "experience" nor top-notch law degrees. And even the ones who have had one-or-the-other or both don't always make good presidents. It's not like being well educated, necessarily makes one a good leader, or a half-decent decision-maker, or gives one conviction, or even gives one a spine for that matter

By your logic we could choose anyone who is a citizen over the age of 35 via some sort of lottery and find a well qualified person. I'm sorry but I want someone exceptional to be running the country. Not just any old person who happens to meet the age requirements.

[Angus_Aboot]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

By your logic we could choose anyone who is a citizen over the age of 35 via some sort of lottery and find a well qualified person. I'm sorry but I want someone exceptional to be running the country. Not just any old person who happens to meet the age requirements.

I'd take the lottery over elections, definitely. The chance of randomly finding a decent person is far greater than electing a decent politician.
Regardless, one being "exceptional" is entirely subjective. And history shows that even the most "exceptional" individuals can be among the very worst.

[WickedLou9]

Originally Posted by Angus_Aboot

I'd take the lottery over elections, definitely. The chance of randomly finding a decent person is far greater than electing a decent politician.
Regardless, one being "exceptional" is entirely subjective. And history shows that even the most "exceptional" individuals can be among the very worst.

Well I don't agree on the lottery thing, but you're right. It is subjective. Everyone has thier own subjective criteria that they use when deciding who to vote for. I don't see anything wrong with that.

[Swift]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

Well I don't agree on the lottery thing, but you're right. It is subjective. Everyone has thier own subjective criteria that they use when deciding who to vote for. I don't see anything wrong with that.

So by that statement, doesn't that mean that a candidate's qualifications are subjective?

[motivez]

Originally Posted by TankRizzo

I don't see her going anywhere. She's essentially a giant bear trap; everything they can attack her on could just as easily be turned around to smash obama in the face.

Not really, she makes Obama look like an elder statesman.

[motivez]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Why would she? Her job didn't require it. She was heading a state, not running for president.

Yet she thinks she's qualified to stand in as President if something happens to McCain with virtually no world experience, and a pretty sheltered life?

[SoFlaJDM]

Originally Posted by motivez

Yet she thinks she's qualified to stand in as President if something happens to McCain with virtually no world experience, and a pretty sheltered life?

even worse... he thinks she's qualified


doesn't say much for him either

[motivez]

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

LOL, being a Mayor and a governor is not significant? Anyway...

When your town has 50 employees and 12 million dollars per year to deal with, not really.

When your state is the close to the lowest population state in the country, it means far less than being Governor of a state with the

The reason people think she's Harrier Miers is because there's a plethora of other Republican women John McCain could have picked if he was interested, and hundreds of other Republican men more qualified

None of you can say she's the most qualified person he could have picked. Not one of you can even begin to make that argument.. because you know it's not true.

Look at Hutchinson, Snowe, etc.. there's seriously people who are multitudes better than her on every issue, from foreign policy to anything else you can list.

This obviously isn't about some relationship between them he thinks will be beneficial, he met her once and there was a 15 minute phone interview before her selection

Her selection is a joke. A cynical joke.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by motivez

Yet she thinks she's qualified to stand in as President if something happens to McCain with virtually no world experience, and a pretty sheltered life?

Of course she is qualified.

The qualifications for the vice presidency are the same as those for the presidency. The vice president must be a native-born American of at least 35 years of age who has resided in the United States for at least 14 years.

It's do you think she has enough real world and or government experience to be a good vice president.

I think she does and so do a lot of other people.

[Angus_Aboot]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

It's do you think she has enough real world and or government experience to be a good vice president.

I think she does and so do a lot of other people.

Again, there really isn't any way to measure in this matter. One cannot really formulate the requirements for the best president*, one can speculate and pontificate all day, judging by history though, there really isn't any one successful formula. People are much too complex.


*Note: a perfect president is one who doesn't exist at all.

[Symatic]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

Obama went to Columbia and majored in Political Science with a specialization in international relations. Obama then went to Harvard Law school, the best in the country. That fact alone puts him in some pretty rare company and sperates him from Palin by quite a large margin. While at Harvard he was the editor of the Harvard law review, this is quite an accomplishment. He graduated Magna Cum Laude which means not only did he go to harvard, he graduated ahead of most people in his class. He is amoung the best and brightest people in the entire country. He was also a professor of Constitional law at the Univ os Chicago for 12 years. So not only did he graduate from harvard, but he was an expert to the degree where he could teach the subject at one of the countries most prestegious schools.

That does not justify anything really. To say because he was good in school qualifies him to be president really shows you are reaching. Being intelligent is an adjective that describes him and the accomplishments you listed are somethings a lot of people could not do but they do not qualify the man. How many of us even though we did good in college still had to train for the job we were assuming? Palin may not be the best choice for VP but you cannot discredit the fact she has more experience. You can argue Obama has a better education than Palin though.

[Symatic]

Originally Posted by motivez

None of you can say she's the most qualified person he could have picked. Not one of you can even begin to make that argument.. because you know it's not true.

Obama is not the most qualified person the Democrats could have picked but they think he can run the country.

[motivez]

Originally Posted by Symatic

That does not justify anything really. To say because he was good in school qualifies him to be president really shows you are reaching. Being intelligent is an adjective that describes him and the accomplishments you listed are somethings a lot of people could not do but they do not qualify the man. How many of us even though we did good in college still had to train for the job we were assuming? Palin may not be the best choice for VP but you cannot discredit the fact she has more experience. You can argue Obama has a better education than Palin though.

He went to a good school and got degrees relevant to the office, a law degree and one in political science. He also taught Constitutional Law, so the idea that his schooling isn't relevant is simply wrong.

Being intelligent and intellectually curious is a requirement for being a good President, excelling at top Universities in relevant subjects is an important metric to that end.. being a fox sports caster with a degree in journalism and beauty queen is not.

Palin has no where near the same experience Obama has relevant to the job.

She was Mayor of a tiny little town with less employees than some restaurants I know of, and they had less money to play with per year than Obama's campaign spends in a month

Her only "accomplishment" there is raising taxes to build a sports complex. Unless you want to include hiring a lobbyist to lobby for federal money for the city.
I mean, seriously, this is what Republicans are so enamored with?

The city of Chicago has more people in it than the entire state of Alaska, so saying her year and a half as Governor of one of the least populous states qualifies her to be (Vice) President is a joke.. and it makes Obama look like an elder statesman.

[motivez]

Originally Posted by Symatic

Obama is not the most qualified person the Democrats could have picked but they think he can run the country.

But they picked him. The Republican party did not pick her, McCain did.

If they had a chance to vote for her in this election, they wouldn't have. If they're scared of Obama's "lack of experience" .. they should be terrified of someone who has less of it being 1 72 year old heartbeat away from it.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Angus_Aboot

Again, there really isn't any way to measure in this matter. One cannot really formulate the requirements for the best president*, one can speculate and pontificate all day, judging by history though, there really isn't any one successful formula. People are much too complex.


*Note: a perfect president is one who doesn't exist at all.

Here is the end all be all. Not enough people are going to be swayed one way or another by Palin to make a HUGE difference in who they are going to vote for. Some women who may not have voted before might think it's cool to do so now but would it even represent a 1 point difference? I doubt it.

Voters aren't dumb, they are going to vote for the person they think will lead the country the way they think it needs to be lead. And the two choices are Obama and McCain. And with the Economy and fuel prices being two of the most important issues on voters minds I think Obama has the weak hand. He wants to raise taxes on business owners, investors, and of course the "wealthy". That's going to make the economy worse, not better. His energy policy is a huge tax hike on oil companies, no drilling, no commitment on new nukes. Just a promise to invest in non-carbon based energy. Hell, we can't even get wind farms built in TX or miles and miles out to sea. So people will know that they can expect energy prices to go up with Obama as well.

[Symatic]

Originally Posted by motivez

He went to a good school and got degrees relevant to the office, a law degree and one in political science. He also taught Constitutional Law, so the idea that his schooling isn't relevant is simply wrong.

Being intelligent and intellectually curious is a requirement for being a good President, excelling at top Universities in relevant subjects is an important metric to that end.. being a fox sports caster with a degree in journalism and beauty queen is not.

Palin has no where near the same experience Obama has relevant to the job.

She was Mayor of a tiny little town with less employees than some restaurants I know of, and they had less money to play with per year than Obama's campaign spends in a month

Her only "accomplishment" there is raising taxes to build a sports complex. Unless you want to include hiring a lobbyist to lobby for federal money for the city.
I mean, seriously, this is what Republicans are so enamored with?

The city of Chicago has more people in it than the entire state of Alaska, so saying her year and a half as Governor of one of the least populous states qualifies her to be (Vice) President is a joke.. and it makes Obama look like an elder statesman.

I never said it qualifies her to be (Vice) President I said it is more experience than Obama has. Being educated is not a requirement, it is a trait that in your opinion makes a good president but it still says nothing of his experience. I...IMO...feel that him being a Senator of the state of Illinois and even him being a representative of the 13th district in no way compares to being a the governor of any state in terms of experience.

[Angus_Aboot]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Here is the end all be all. Not enough people are going to be swayed one way or another by Palin to make a HUGE difference in who they are going to vote for. Some women who may not have voted before might think it's cool to do so now but would it even represent a 1 point difference? I doubt it.

All this bickering of presidential qualifications and experience is getting quite monotonous. With Palin having more direct-government "experience" but Obama having better "credentials." But, just going by history this vice-presidential debating is largely irrelevant, so I agree with you there. The vice-presidency is largely used as a means to simply address division within a party.

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Voters aren't dumb, they are going to vote for the person they think will lead the country the way they think it needs to be lead. And the two choices are Obama and McCain. And with the Economy and fuel prices being two of the most important issues on voters minds I think Obama has the weak hand. He wants to raise taxes on business owners, investors, and of course the "wealthy". That's going to make the economy worse, not better. His energy policy is a huge tax hike on oil companies, no drilling, no commitment on new nukes. Just a promise to invest in non-carbon based energy. Hell, we can't even get wind farms built in TX or miles and miles out to sea. So people will know that they can expect energy prices to go up with Obama as well.

I disagree here, by-and-large voters are dumb, they are the uneducated masses, who piece together information regurgitaed by the MSM. They will either simply vote along party lines, or against a party, without really reading into who they are voting for.

I agree that Obama's economic ideas are awful, but I don't think that the average supporter has taken the time to carefully consider his proposals and the repurcutions (or the ethics). Also, I think some of his supporters view taxation as a positive. Also, McCain's ideas are probably just as stifiling.

[Symatic]

Originally Posted by Angus_Aboot

I disagree here, by-and-large voters are dumb, they are the uneducated masses, who piece together information regurgitaed by the MSM. They will either simply vote along party lines, or against a party, without really reading into who they are voting for.

I agree that Obama's economic ideas are awful, but I don't think that the average supporter has taken the time to carefully consider his proposals and the repurcutions (or the ethics). Also, I think some of his supporters view taxation as a positive. Also, McCain's ideas are probably just as stifiling.

Very well put

[Stylerod]

So it seems the value of the predictions of Palin being pulled from the ticket has dropped 300% since the thread started.

Also, it shows McCain's chances of winning at 50.5%. Obama at 49.1.


Not that I care. I mean, Intrade? But since the thread was started I figured some people must feel the numbers are important so here to go.

[motivez]

That goes with the post convention bounce polls.