Want to know what Dems will do if they regain power?

[ballz2wallz]

They tell you exactly what they'll do, and it's not good...

Anxious Dems eye power of the purse on Iraq

But when pressed on how he could stop the war even if Democrats control the House during the last years of President Bush’s second term, Rangel paused before saying, “You’ve got to be able to pay for the war, don’t you?”

Rangel’s views on funding the war are shared by many of his colleagues – especially within the 73-member Out of Iraq Caucus.

Some Democratic legislators want to halt funding for the war immediately, while others say they would allocate money for activities such as reconstruction, setting up international security forces, and the ultimate withdrawal of U.S. troops.

“Personally, I wouldn’t spend another dime [on the war,]” said Rep. Lynn Woolsey (D-Calif.).

I don't know how anybody for one second could think that's a good idea. Didn't they learn a lesson from Vietnam?

[Ardentfrost]

I don't see how that has anything to do with Vietnam.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

I don't see how that has anything to do with Vietnam.

We didn't finish the job in Vietnam and we see how that turned out for us. The Dems don't want us to finish the job here either. But that's hardly the point of the post. Focus on something more obscure to respond to next time?

[Thorgrim]

The Dems will not leave our troops starving in Iraq and Bush will simply not admit defeat on this

What they can do is apply pressure so they actually use their brains in Iraq and stop making mistake after mistake

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

The Dems will not leave our troops starving in Iraq and Bush will simply not admit defeat on this

What they can do is apply pressure so they actually use their brains in Iraq and stop making mistake after mistake

If you say so, but I'm just going by what some of them say:

Some Democratic legislators want to halt funding for the war immediately,

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

If you say so, but I'm just going by what some of them say:

Some Republicans too, Ron Paul anyone...

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

The Dems will not leave our troops starving in Iraq and Bush will simply not admit defeat on this

this is how they *might* gain control over iraq

What they can do is apply pressure so they actually use their brains in Iraq and stop making mistake after mistake

have they put out their plan yet?

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

this is how they *might* gain control over iraq

have they put out their plan yet?

They don't get the same intelligence reports Bush does, if he handed them out to every Democrat in congress, then we could have a closed debate and come up with a plan

as is, we are in the dark on many issues, and making a plan for the whole party would be stupid, however some democrats with military histories have put together the beginnings of plans that still need more presidential intelligence to be complete

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

They don't get the same intelligence reports Bush does, if he handed them out to every Democrat in congress, then we could have a closed debate and come up with a plan

You say that so easily now, and yet despite the lack of information they have, they are still so quick to attack and judge his decisions. You can't have it both ways.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

You say that so easily now, and yet despite the lack of information they have, they are still so quick to attack and judge his decisions. You can't have it both ways.

They have lots of former generals who served in Iraq saying what he did wrong, thats enough information for me

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

They don't get the same intelligence reports Bush does, if he handed them out to every Democrat in congress, then we could have a closed debate and come up with a plan

as is, we are in the dark on many issues, and making a plan for the whole party would be stupid, however some democrats with military histories have put together the beginnings of plans that still need more presidential intelligence to be complete

so vote for us, we are going to be better. what exactly do we want to do, well just wait and see

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

so vote for us, we are going to be better. what exactly do we want to do, well just wait and see

Their was over-sight in WW2, Korea, Vietnam...but not in Iraq

Democrats will provide oversight, which the GOP isn't doing

[SICKGUY]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

They tell you exactly what they'll do, and it's not good...

Anxious Dems eye power of the purse on Iraq



I don't know how anybody for one second could think that's a good idea. Didn't they learn a lesson from Vietnam?

i dont understand how you can criticize an idea, saying its terrible, the downfall of america, blah blah blah...yet, you still support an administration that has wasted billions on war. its like you somehow believe our current government is doing a stand up job with its "war on terror"

i wish the media would report the facts already. all i ever hear on tv and the internet is that iraq is not in good shape. weird.

and how exactly is this a bad idea???

Some Democratic legislators want to halt funding for the war immediately, while others say they would allocate money for activities such as reconstruction, setting up international security forces, and the ultimate withdrawal of U.S. troops.

[Donkey®]

Wait...I thought your complaint about them is that they don't have a plan?

[SICKGUY]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

You say that so easily now, and yet despite the lack of information they have, they are still so quick to attack and judge his decisions. You can't have it both ways.

what good decisions has he made? how can the war in iraq be viewed as us winning the war? more than 2000 people have died in iraq in the last 2 months due to civil violence.

also...how many american soldiers lives are worth 1 terrorists life??? every couple of weeks a "ranking member of al qaeda" is killed or captured, but we lose a couple of soldiers every week. is our investment really worth the pay off? will we ever really be safe from terrorists?

[IminWonderland]

[quote=SICKGUY;39413]what good decisions has he made? how can the war in iraq be viewed as us winning the war? more than 2000 people have died in iraq in the last 2 months due to civil violence.

also...how many american soldiers lives are worth 1 terrorists life??? every couple of weeks a "ranking member of al qaeda" is killed or captured, but we lose a couple of soldiers every week. is our investment really worth the pay off? will we ever really be safe from terrorists?[/QUOTE]


I think your last statement deserves it's own thread.

[R-Type]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

They tell you exactly what they'll do, and it's not good...

Anxious Dems eye power of the purse on Iraq



I don't know how anybody for one second could think that's a good idea. Didn't they learn a lesson from Vietnam?

Well, gee, if the republicans themselves actually had a rational plan for iraq, maybe more of the democrats would listen to them...oh wait, we're there to stop another 9/11, right? nope, bush said as much. Bin laden? nada. WMD? oh right, but wait, that was bogus too. So why are we there and when are we going to be done? What did rumsfeld say again? Sounds like he wants to stay there forever. How 'rational.' Rangel is right. Whatever the party's real goals are, the war does have to be paid for eventually. How does the government raise money to fight wars? Taxes. Allowing a president to run us off the financial deep end for decades to come just to fight dubious wars would be negligence. The fact bush is giving tax CUTS while doing so makes it even more imperative to either cut the deficit spending...or raise taxes. You can't have it both ways. Cutting funds is congress's way to reign in the executive branch when the majority of the people feel it is out of line. That's what they're SUPPOSED to do. I guess we'll see what happens with that come election time.

The republicans could learn a few lessons from that same historybook. Vietnam was a failure mainly because we were not willing to fund or fight a prolonged conflict for the flawed goal of 'containing' communism. As the copyright cartels are also slowly learning, it is not possible to 'contain' ideas, philosophies, or information, no matter how much resource is put into it. The iraq war is similiar, both in the way the enemy fights, and in the lack of definitive, objective 'goals' that have been set by this administration. The tighter we squeeze, the more we look like the aggressors, and the more resolute the enemy becomes in their beliefs that our value system IS broken and needs to be taken down. As a result, this war is accomplishing the opposite of its republican-stated purposes.

So, I wonder what kind of stage our esteemed president plans to set for his future successor...

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Their was over-sight in WW2, Korea, Vietnam...but not in Iraq

Democrats will provide oversight, which the GOP isn't doing

winning the house will get them access to more intel reports?

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by R-Type

The republicans could learn a few lessons from that same historybook. Vietnam was a failure mainly because we were not willing to fund or fight a prolonged conflict for the flawed goal of 'containing' communism. As the copyright cartels are also slowly learning, it is not possible to 'contain' ideas, philosophies, or information, no matter how much resource is put into it. The iraq war is similiar, both in the way the enemy fights, and in the lack of definitive, objective 'goals' that have been set by this administration. The tighter we squeeze, the more we look like the aggressors, and the more resolute the enemy becomes in their beliefs that our value system IS broken and needs to be taken down. As a result, this war is accomplishing the opposite of its republican-stated purposes.

The difference of course being that we're (republicans) are willing to fund and fight a prolonged conflict. The democrats are not. As the intel report says, and I believe it, if we win in Iraq, insurgents or terrorists or whatever you want to call them will come away disenchanted and less willing to 'fight' america.

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

They don't get the same intelligence reports Bush does, if he handed them out to every Democrat in congress, then we could have a closed debate and come up with a plan

yet the head of the CIA personally talked to them