So Saudi Arabia wants to build a fence on its borders and...

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Originally Posted by motivez

The land in question isn't owned by Israel at all, they simply occupy it illegally and oppress the Palestinian people by using their illegal settlements to control strategically important areas (on top of hills, around water, etc). That prevents the Palestinian people to really ever have autonomy and begin working torwards an economy, and all of the other things that eventually lead to a society not interested in blowing people up.

The same justification is used to explain away our free trade with China while ignoring their massive human rights violations. Eventually the trade will lead to reforms that benefit everyone in China.

There were 315 suicide attacks between 1980 and 2003. That's honestly not that many, and so while they suck, and stopping attacks is great, I don't believe it justifies the intensity of the oppression the regular, non-terrorist Palestinian people are forced to live under. The ends don't justify the means when there are other means available.

It really baffles me that people don't see the causality of harsh oppression and a "resistance" movement fighting back. If you oppress people, they'll fight back with whatever they can. Their methods may be horrible and unjustifiable, but then so is the level of oppression they are forced to live under.

so suicide attacks are the only form of terror in your book?

and it really baffles me that after hundreds of times that you've heard this, you cant justify a resistance when the resistance began before the oppression. by definition you cannot call it a resistance, these movements existed before the "oppression."


and again, that land is not illegally occupied. UN resolutions clearly state that land won in a defensive war is not required to be returned, so right now, all that land is israel, I'd like to see a 2 state solution some day when we can trust a legitimate palestinian government. And an occupation can only be legally classified as such if a sovereign nation militarily occupies another sovereign nation, so by international law it is not an occupation.