NY wants to ban certain food ingredients... - Page 2

Scrum · 09-28-2006, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

Thats exactly it. If you wanna smoke fine, but keep that nasty shit away from me.

No, the smoking ban was about people walking into places where they knew they would encounter smoke, and the complained.

I don't go to a rock concert and complain about the loud music. It's as stupid as that.

JaJae · 09-28-2006, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

No it isn't. It's telling people what they are and aren't allowed to do in their buisness. It's BS. Last time I checked, trans fat and tobacco were still legal substances in this country. These are selective laws.

Tabacco isn't legal for minors. And trans fats aren't forced down your throat without your selection of them. You don't want trans fats? Order a salad. You don't want cigarette smoke.. an illegal drug for children all over your family.. stay at home.

There's a difference. You had no choice but to stay home with cigarette smoke. With trans fats you can still go out and have a choice.

Scrum · 09-28-2006, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by JaJae

Tabacco isn't legal for minors. And trans fats aren't forced down your throat without your selection of them. You don't want trans fats? Order a salad. You don't want cigarette smoke.. an illegal drug for children all over your family.. stay at home.

There's a difference. You had no choice but to stay home with cigarette smoke. With trans fats you can still go out and have a choice.

Nobody was forcing buisnesses to allow smoking. If there was a demand for non-smoking places, they would exist (which they do). To say you are forced to stay at home is silly, as is even bringing up the fact that minors can't buy tobacco. That has no bearing on the conversation. Minors also can't drive. Does that mean they shouldn't be allowed around cars?

6SpeedTA95 · 09-28-2006, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

No, the smoking ban was about people walking into places where they knew they would encounter smoke, and the complained.

I don't go to a rock concert and complain about the loud music. It's as stupid as that.

No its not, if I go to a restaurant and sit in a NO smoking section that means it should be NO FUCKING SMOKING.

If I'm walking down the street to work, to class, anywhere I shouldn't be subjected to someone else's bad habbits. A habbit that could negatively affect my health.

If I go to a bar I know what to expect, I dont have a problem with that. But these people that light up whenever and wherever they feel like it are showing a complete lack of respect for others and endangering the health of others.

If I go to a restaurant I choose what I'm ordering off the menu. If I go to chili's and order their chicken tenders ( :yum: ) I know what I'm getting. I'm not at the same time dumping grease on everyone else's plates and in their drinks. Someone smokes at the table next to me because they're accross some imaginary line that shit still affects me and it affects me negatively.

6SpeedTA95 · 09-28-2006, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

Nobody was forcing buisnesses to allow smoking. If there was a demand for non-smoking places, they would exist (which they do). To say you are forced to stay at home is silly, as is even bringing up the fact that minors can't buy tobacco. That has no bearing on the conversation. Minors also can't drive. Does that mean they shouldn't be allowed around cars?

Actually thats not true for a long time businesses were forced to have BOTH smoking and non smoking.

Stylerod · 09-28-2006, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

Actually thats not true for a long time businesses were forced to have BOTH smoking and non smoking.

Some were forced to have a smoking section IF they allowed smoking. None were forced to allow smoking. There were (and are) plenty of non smoking places where there is no law they must be so.

We are way off subject.

Scrum · 09-28-2006, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

No its not, if I go to a restaurant and sit in a NO smoking section that means it should be NO FUCKING SMOKING.

If I'm walking down the street to work, to class, anywhere I shouldn't be subjected to someone else's bad habbits. A habbit that could negatively affect my health.

If I go to a bar I know what to expect, I dont have a problem with that. But these people that light up whenever and wherever they feel like it are showing a complete lack of respect for others and endangering the health of others.

:sigh:

Car emissions are bad for you, yet I don't see you demanding people stop driving down the streets. Secondhand smoke dangers have been exagerated. It an outdoor setting there is almost no exposure, so that "walking down the street" thing is BS.

Have you ever tried asking someone to put out a smoke when they were smoking in a place they shouldn't? No? Ever tell the manager? Ever not go back to that place again because you didn't like it?

Try no imposing yourself on people. If you don't like smoke, don't go to places that allow it. If you think there is a market for non-smoking places, open a resteraunt. You will have the market cornered.

Stylerod · 09-28-2006, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

:sigh:

Car emissions are bad for you, yet I don't see you demanding people stop driving down the streets. Secondhand smoke dangers have been exagerated. It an outdoor setting there is almost no exposure, so that "walking down the street" thing is BS.

Have you ever tried asking someone to put out a smoke when they were smoking in a place they shouldn't? No? Ever tell the manager? Ever not go back to that place again because you didn't like it?

Try no imposing yourself on people. If you don't like smoke, don't go to places that allow it. If you think there is a market for non-smoking places, open a resteraunt. You will have the market cornered.

Speaking of, are you still not smoking? How is it going?

Scrum · 09-28-2006, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Speaking of, are you still not smoking? How is it going?

Tuesday was 6 weeks without.

Haven't cheated once.

Stylerod · 09-28-2006, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

Tuesday was 6 weeks without.

Haven't cheated once.

Nice!

6SpeedTA95 · 09-28-2006, 11:21 AM

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IminWonderland · 09-28-2006, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

This is ridiculous. People can't even make french fries or sell them anymore. Who is the government to tell me I can't buy french fries?

Can we make French Fries without Trans fat?

Do I have this Trans Fat at home and don't know it?

nbiggershaft · 09-28-2006, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

Geez talk about a slippery slope.

I agree with the guy quoted. Labels is one thing. Banning is another.

I am concerned about this being a slippery slop into banning personal foods. But it is quite possible there is validity to this measure. If local restaurants were putting a small amount of poison in every burger you ate because it preserved the meat better, you would want that to be illegal. Not saying this necessarly the issue with trans fat, but few argue FDA requirements at restaurants. IF trans fat is truely that hazardous to your health, and you don't really know it when you order fries ( no amount of labels in the world would change that), then it is as good an idea as say, banning lead paint.

Diesel66 · 09-28-2006, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

The smoking ban is COMPLETELY different.

even when major studies by the US Cancer society and the WHO show very little risk from second hand smoke ? And almost no risk to casual second hand smoke ?

ballz2wallz · 09-28-2006, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

The smoking ban is COMPLETELY different.

I disagree.

ballz2wallz · 09-28-2006, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

I agree. The smoking ban had to do with other people's health. If I don't want to eat a fucking donut, I won't order it and nobody is forcing it down my throat.

This is why I disagree; people aren't forced to eat/drink/hang in places where smoking is allowed. They are just as free to avoid it as the smokers should be to smoke. If it's children you're afraid of, how are you gonna stop that anyway? The public smoking ban doesn't even affect them.

ballz2wallz · 09-28-2006, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

Can we make French Fries without Trans fat?

Do I have this Trans Fat at home and don't know it?

Why can't we make french fries anyway we want? Why can't we eat big fatty steaks? Why can't we eat trans fats? Why can't we buy french fries with trans fats if we want to? They taste so yummy. If they want to force something on people, force them to exercise so they can eat trans fats.

motivez · 09-28-2006, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

This is ridiculous. People can't even make french fries or sell them anymore. Who is the government to tell me I can't buy french fries?

You can still get them, they're just "Freedom Fries" now

IminWonderland · 09-28-2006, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Why can't we make french fries anyway we want? Why can't we eat big fatty steaks? Why can't we eat trans fats? Why can't we buy french fries with trans fats if we want to? They taste so yummy. If they want to force something on people, force them to exercise so they can eat trans fats.

I am just trying to say, that I'd like to have the choice. And I'd like to be an informed consumer, and I honestly have no idea if there are transfats in my kitchen right now...

Considering the danger they can pose to my health, I'd like to be aware of what I'm putting in my body.