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Old 10-19-2008, 06:11 PM   #1
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Obama Raises 150 Million in September

Obama shatters fundraising records as campaign looks to blitz McCain - Telegraph


"In a videotaped message e-mailed to supporters, David Plouffe, Mr Obama's campaign manager, announced that the Illinois senator and White House front runner had raised an unprecedented $150 million plus in September. "



Damn. Lot of money.
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Old 10-19-2008, 10:26 PM   #2
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Thats just unbelievable. I am impressed, especially considering economic conditions of the country.
 
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Old 10-19-2008, 10:32 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by DosEquis View Post
Thats just unbelievable. I am impressed, especially considering economic conditions of the country.
seems almost too good to be true, right?
 
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Originally Posted by kinggovernor View Post
seems almost too good to be true, right?
How about you just come right out and say what you're hinting at here..
 
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Old 10-19-2008, 10:43 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by kinggovernor View Post
seems almost too good to be true, right?
It's almost as if millions of people are donating money so he can win the election.
 
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Old 10-19-2008, 10:47 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by motivez View Post
How about you just come right out and say what you're hinting at here..
I wouldn't care if he is breaking the "rules" about fundraising, I think its an absolutely stupid system anyways. Money in politics is just as important as free speech in politics.

It just seems a little strange that the vast majority of donations are just below where they have to report them.
 
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Originally Posted by kinggovernor View Post
seems almost too good to be true, right?

What now? Obama and Ayers robbed a bank while Rev. Wright drove the getaway car to an ACORN family picnic?
 
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Originally Posted by kinggovernor View Post
I wouldn't care if he is breaking the "rules" about fundraising, I think its an absolutely stupid system anyways. Money in politics is just as important as free speech in politics.

It just seems a little strange that the vast majority of donations are just below where they have to report them.

How about you provide some evidence of anything you're insinuating this time?
 
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Originally Posted by Donkey® View Post
How about you provide some evidence of anything you're insinuating this time?
Controversy Over Obama's Small Donors | Newsweek Politics: Campaign 2008 | Newsweek.com
 
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Originally Posted by Donkey® View Post
What now? Obama and Ayers robbed a bank while Rev. Wright drove the getaway car to an ACORN family picnic?
 
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Originally Posted by kinggovernor View Post
I wouldn't care if he is breaking the "rules" about fundraising, I think its an absolutely stupid system anyways. Money in politics is just as important as free speech in politics.

It just seems a little strange that the vast majority of donations are just below where they have to report them.
But you have no evidence that he's "breaking the rules" .. if you had any, it might be an actual scandal, unlike the other things you're "suspicious of" .. but like those things, this also has no basis in reality, and seem to be the product of an overactive, wishful-thinking-prone imagination.

The reason they're under the reporting limit is because for the first time in a long, long time.. you have millions upon millions of Americans actually engaged in the process, who believe in what he's offering them, and most don't have more than $200 to give over the course of the campaign cycle.

I've donated about $100 so far. That's under the reporting limit. There's nothing scandalous about it.

During my talks with people during canvassing, phone banking, and just in general.. many of these people have donated for the first time.

I don't typically go into ritzy areas when doing my canvassing, it's your average, middle income (sometimes lower income) neighborhoods, apartment complexes, etc.. and I can't even begin to count how many people said they had donated for the first time.. who are excited for the first time, and actually engaged. They didn't have much to give, but they gave what they could.

There's nothing scandalous about that, either.
 
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There's no controversy there, the amounts were returned.
 
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Not evidence...but good thing that there is a group that is actually responsible for finding these irregularities huh?
 
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Old 10-19-2008, 11:00 PM   #14
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Not evidence...but good thing that there is a group that is actually responsible for finding these irregularities huh?
yes it was evidence that the Obama camp was receiving too much money from small time donors, it only got flagged because they forgot to change the address. There isn't a group to flag those unless they get too big.

From the article:

Some critics say the campaign hasn't done enough. This summer, watchdog groups asked both campaigns to share more information about its small donors. The McCain campaign agreed; the Obama campaign did not. "They could've done themselves a service" by heeding the suggestions, said Massie Ritsch of the Center for Responsive Politics.
IMO that was done on purpose.
 
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They're complying with the law, why should they add overhead to the campaign if the small donors are giving less than $200 each?

It's easy for McCain to comply, he doesn't raise that much money from small donors.
 
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Originally Posted by motivez View Post
They're complying with the law, why should they add overhead to the campaign if the small donors are giving less than $200 each?

It's easy for McCain to comply, he doesn't raise that much money from small donors.
post-partisan, right?
 
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They're complying with the law, why should they add overhead to the campaign if the small donors are giving less than $200 each?

It's easy for McCain to comply, he doesn't raise that much money from small donors.
If they're mostly online donations he has a database of donations. All he has to do is hit print. He's opening himself up to scrutiny if he wins. McCain/Fox News is already suggesting that Obama is buying the presidency. And with all these donations coming in blind and Obama passing on public financing it is going to create some controversy like the past few elections. This is another instance of Obama not providing full disclosure. When Hillary was hiding her tax records and such he was attacking her for it. Now that he's the front-runner he feels he doesn't have to disclose anything as well. If he's not accepting public financing and he's raking in this kind of money he should be willing to allow people to go over his donations.
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If they're mostly online donations he has a database of donations. All he has to do is hit print. He's opening himself up to scrutiny if he wins. McCain/Fox News is already suggesting that Obama is buying the presidency. And with all these donations coming in blind and Obama passing on public financing it is going to create some controversy like the past few elections. This is another instance of Obama not providing full disclosure. When Hillary was hiding her tax records and such he was attacking her for it. Now that he's the front-runner he feels he doesn't have to disclose anything as well. If he's not accepting public financing and he's raking in this kind of money he should be willing to allow people to go over his donations.
Political campaign donations are already part of the public record. He doesn't have to do anything. All of them are disclosed.

Contributions to Presidential Campaigns - Election Guide 2008 - The New York Times

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How can anyone NOT know this?
 
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Old 10-20-2008, 08:53 AM   #19
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Political campaign donations are already part of the public record. He doesn't have to do anything. All of them are disclosed.

Contributions to Presidential Campaigns - Election Guide 2008 - The New York Times

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How can anyone NOT know this?
From your link:
Contributions of $200 or more to presidential candidates, as reported to the Federal Election Commission.
 
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Originally Posted by WickedLou9 View Post
Political campaign donations are already part of the public record. He doesn't have to do anything. All of them are disclosed.

Contributions to Presidential Campaigns - Election Guide 2008 - The New York Times

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How can anyone NOT know this?
Small donations are not listed. People are questioning whether or not Obama is receiving many small unreported donations that would violate campaign finance laws. The response is basically that he won't disclose the information from small donors since the law doesn't require him to. Which is all well and good, but it opens everything up to scrutiny should he win.
 
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