Palin - Page 3

HughRuss · 11-08-2008, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

Uh, can you point to an official bush doctorine. One released by the administration? Or something more official like this?: Monroe Doctrine, 1823

The Bush Doctrine is wound together by the presupposition that preemptive war is an overall good intentioned waring tool. That ideology is typically exemplified by the moronic statement "The ends justify the means," which is the whole embodiment of the so-called Bush Doctrine.

But, in case you wanted "official" documentation:
The National Security Strategy 2002

Photon1001 · 11-08-2008, 07:09 PM

The "Bush Doctrine" is a made up phrase, and one cannot fully fault her for not knowing what it was. However, the fact that she doesn't does show that she hasn't been watching enough CNN and MSNBC, or reading enough New York Times or Washington Post. I do fault her here to a degree, as believe me, the *better* Democrats are watching Fox News and reading the National Review.

Photon1001 · 11-08-2008, 09:26 PM

Check this out, Sarah apologizes for "costing McCain even just one vote"

YouTube - Sarah Palin Apologizes For Costing John...

DosEquis · 11-09-2008, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by HughRuss

The Bush Doctrine is wound together by the presupposition that preemptive war is an overall good intentioned waring tool. That ideology is typically exemplified by the moronic statement "The ends justify the means," which is the whole embodiment of the so-called Bush Doctrine.

But, in case you wanted "official" documentation:
The National Security Strategy 2002

It was written in 1998 i believe by Wolfowitz. About the same time that the members of PNAC wrote Bill Clinton campaigning to invade Iraq. In 2000 those members of PNAC ended up in significant positions in the administration. 9/11/01 happens and they installed it and invaded Iraq.

Photon1001 · 11-09-2008, 01:20 PM

Well given that the neocons largely backed Obama this year, how likely would you say that another major war is inevitable?

Scrum · 11-09-2008, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by Photon1001

Well given that the neocons largely backed Obama this year, how likely would you say that another major war is inevitable?

What neocons supported Obama?

Photon1001 · 11-09-2008, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by Scrum

What neocons supported Obama?

See the thread I started about it.

Republicans For Obama

Scrum · 11-09-2008, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Photon1001

See the thread I started about it.

Republicans For Obama

Not all Republicans are neocons.

None of the authors of PNAC supported Obama. They are the neoconservatives.

Photon1001 · 11-09-2008, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by Scrum

Not all Republicans are neocons.

None of the authors of PNAC supported Obama. They are the neoconservatives.

So Francis Fukuyama, Ken Adelman, Colin Powell, Christopher Hitchens, Ken Duberstein, and Sarah Palin before she was McCain's VP pick, just to name a few don't count?

Photon1001 · 11-09-2008, 03:04 PM

On the other hand, and I know many will not like this, but another major war could be very helpful to the economy right now. So tell me, how likely is such a war now that the neo-con's minority New Dem poster child has been elected president?

DosEquis · 11-09-2008, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Photon1001

So Francis Fukuyama, Ken Adelman, Colin Powell, Christopher Hitchens, Ken Duberstein, and Sarah Palin before she was McCain's VP pick, just to name a few don't count?

Fukuyama counts, adelman counts....

Colin Powell was not a PNAC member, and Sarah Palin was too stupid to be let in their club combined with being too new to the scene.

DosEquis · 11-09-2008, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by Photon1001

On the other hand, and I know many will not like this, but another major war could be very helpful to the economy right now. So tell me, how likely is such a war now that the neo-con's minority New Dem poster child has been elected president?

I dont think a new war would be helpful. It just runs up our debt even further and weakens the dollar even more. Then if the war is in a region sensitive to oil it will drive the price up again.

Stylerod · 11-13-2008, 12:37 PM

Ends up the story was a lie.

MSNBC retracts false Palin story; others duped

Thorgrim · 11-13-2008, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Ends up the story was a lie.

MSNBC retracts false Palin story; others duped

Ohter networks were looking for several sources to back up Fox News

Fox News story and its reporter have not backed off their story or sources

If they did, then Palin on wouldn't have less, than 12 hours ago, said the story was by unhappy Happy McCain staffers...she would have said it was a huge hoax by the eleet media, or at least a hoax

Stylerod · 11-13-2008, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Ohter networks were looking for several sources to back up Fox News

Fox News story and its reporter have not backed off their story or sources

If they did, then Palin on wouldn't have less, than 12 hours ago, said the story was by unhappy Happy McCain staffers...she would have said it was a huge hoax by the eleet media, or at least a hoax

Maybe she believed the media was telling the truth about who said it. It wouldn't be the first time people beleived them when they shouldn't have.

Palin has denied that she mistook Africa for a country

Thorgrim · 11-13-2008, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Maybe she believed the media was telling the truth about who said it. It wouldn't be the first time people beleived them when they shouldn't have.

Too late, her supporters have already given defense and a minute by minute "what really happened, no really!" of a best case scenario of what happened at the debate prep

So it is literally impossible, unless her current supporters are also out to get her? That she did not ask them who made up NAFTA and did not state that Africa was a country

Stylerod · 11-13-2008, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Too late, her supporters have already given defense and a minute by minute "what really happened, no really!" of a best case scenario of what happened at the debate prep

So it is literally impossible, unless her current supporters are also out to get her? That she did not ask them who made up NAFTA and did not state that Africa was a country

So which "supporters" say this?

Thorgrim · 11-13-2008, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

So which "supporters" say this?

There is a very detailed account by her supporters of the meetings and how she was tired, and...read the floor post if you want more details

If you want the actual story itself, google it and its somewhere on foxnews by such anti-Palin *sarcasm* folks as Fred Barnes and Bill Kristol...who were not "reporting" anything, just giving what they directly heard from Palin's debate coach

Whoever was the main foreign policy debate coach, I forget the name, has been mentioned on Fox News as supporting this Palin defense...that admits to the Africa/NAFTA shit

So sorry

Swift · 11-13-2008, 07:17 PM

Then what is this story?

The Times - The great Palin hoax

Photon1001 · 11-13-2008, 07:31 PM

^That article clarifies some things, but there is this last line in it:

On how she could run for the presidency:

“I’m like, OK, God, if there is an open door for me somewhere, this is what I always pray, I’m like, don’t let me miss the open door. Show me where the open door is.”

The fact that she would speak something like this aloud where there were ears and/or microphones...