Originally Posted by Swift-Bass Somehow you're still missing this. You do undersatnd there is a difference between knowledge and wisdom right? Knowledge can be easily accumulated. Wisdom is gained through experience and devine gifts. You can't be "taught" wisdom. So she' not praying fro more knowledge. She's praying that she ...
11-14-2008, 02:08 PM
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| *insert uninteresting nomenclature here*  Independent Unfortunately, Michigan 
| Originally Posted by Swift-Bass Again, you're still missing this. 
 hehe, you do realize that there is a difference between actually acquiring knowledge and wisdom and just praying for it to be divinely gifted to you right? Also, you do realize that the power of prayer has been proved to be non-existent? How is praying to recognize a door or opportunity in any way wise, when the scientific fact that prayer doesn't work has been so well established?
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11-14-2008, 02:17 PM
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| Formerly known as Swift-Bass  Conservative Baltimore, MD
| Originally Posted by Photon1001 You keep putting knowledge and wisdom on the same plane. You can't. I could have all the knowledge in the world. Access to allthe information possible, without wisdom that information is useless as a leader. Look at what Bush did in Iraq. He had all the info, ignored things about possible religious insurgency and pressed on. Yeah, that was radically stupid. He wasn't wise enough to use the knowledge that he had about the situation to make a good decision.
Knowledge: knowledge - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary Wisdom: Wisdom - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary They are similar but different. | ||||
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11-14-2008, 02:22 PM
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| *insert uninteresting nomenclature here* Independent Unfortunately, Michigan
| No, my point was that wisdom cannot be prayed for. Payer does nothing, and a good many in the GOP, the objectivist capitalists and libertarian minarchists, think Palin is a joke for trying. | ||||
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11-14-2008, 02:25 PM
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| Formerly known as Swift-Bass Conservative Baltimore, MD
| Originally Posted by Photon1001 You can't prove prayer does nothing. I guess it doesn't help in congress for the last 2 hundred years or so either.
That is a subjective argument that I can't prove to your satisfaction and you can't disprove to my satisfaction. So we should agree to disagree. Or I could say you're a nut for believing in ghosts. BTW, a good many in the GOP are what got us into this situation. Both politically and economically, so I'm not really worried about what they think. | ||||
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11-14-2008, 02:32 PM
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| *insert uninteresting nomenclature here* Independent Unfortunately, Michigan
| I wouldn't believe in ghosts, had I not had experiences with them. You may very well have similar experiences with praying for things, but thats still all beside my point. A large part of Palin's party do not believe in such things, and moreover they tend to really not believe in such things. Those ppl think tend to vote Republican and those ppl think Palin is nuts. Religion is tearing your party apart, and you guys nominate and elect ppl like Sarah Palin at your own peril. Many Democrats are religious, but its not nearly as big an issue with them, as they tend to not be so extremely so. Like John Kerry said, he doesn't think its appropriate to wear one's religion on one's sleeves. | ||||
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11-14-2008, 02:44 PM
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| Formerly known as Swift-Bass Conservative Baltimore, MD
| Originally Posted by Photon1001 Religion wouldn't be a problem in the GOP if they got back to what wins elections and stopped getting smacked around. It has nothing to do with religon, but policy and practice.
And I think it's ridiculous to critisize someone for their relitgous beliefs when they are not harming anyone else. It's her right as an American citizen and I for one want to know about any presidentioal candidates religous beliefs. That's one of the things I didn't like about Obama. He was only passionate about his faith when he defended the attacks that claimed he was a muslim. | ||||
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11-14-2008, 03:10 PM
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| *insert uninteresting nomenclature here* Independent Unfortunately, Michigan
| Was he passionate about his faith when he denounced his preacher? Or is that why Palin didn't do the same when the news came out about her church's anti-Semitic preachings or all their affiliations with the Jews for Jesus nutters, or why John McCain flip flopped with his recent approvals and acceptances of endorsements from the likes of John Hagee or Jerry Farwell, Or how about all this stuff, preachers of hate that he himself had previously condemned? McCain/Palin's Anti-Semitists Associations | ||||
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11-14-2008, 04:29 PM
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| ἀλήθεια  Humanist while (1)
| Originally Posted by Swift-Bass 143 days, huh?
Let's consult some numbers: http://www.factcheck.org/askfactchec...cain_been.html
Fail
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11-14-2008, 05:00 PM
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| Never, never, never give up  Independent High Point, NC
| Originally Posted by HughRuss So still not even a years worth of experience in National Government. Not really anything to jump up and down about.
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11-14-2008, 05:08 PM
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| ἀλήθεια Humanist while (1)
| Originally Posted by Stylerod
 A years worth? You must be talking about 365 days in an entire year. Considering a senatorial year is about 100 years, I'd say he had over 3. | ||||
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11-14-2008, 05:25 PM
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| *insert uninteresting nomenclature here* Independent Unfortunately, Michigan
| Originally Posted by HughRuss I'd be willing to be that's more time than Dubya has spent off his Texas ranch in the past 8 years.
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11-14-2008, 10:15 PM
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| Never, never, never give up Independent High Point, NC
| Originally Posted by Photon1001 I'll take that bet
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11-14-2008, 10:21 PM
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| ἀλήθεια Humanist while (1)
| Originally Posted by Stylerod How about Bush spent more time vacationing during his first (and halfway into his second) term(s) than Obama has been in the Senate?
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11-15-2008, 04:06 AM
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| Arse Anarchist Halifax, Nova Scotia
| Originally Posted by HughRuss The best thing he did was vacation though.
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11-15-2008, 09:38 AM
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| Formerly known as Swift-Bass Conservative Baltimore, MD
| Originally Posted by HughRuss So I was right. He's only been in the senate for 143 days when it's actually been in session. Now, you obviously know more about what goes on in the senate or what senators do when they are not in session. Feel free to let me know what he was doing to impact change during the other 100 or so days. Seriously, I'd like to know.
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11-15-2008, 11:38 AM
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| *insert uninteresting nomenclature here* Independent Unfortunately, Michigan
| Originally Posted by HughRuss Yeah, I think that one's got some pretty good odds there.
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11-15-2008, 01:04 PM
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| ἀλήθεια Humanist while (1)
| Originally Posted by Swift-Bass 304 days while the Senate has been in session from the time he was sworn in until the time he announced his candidacy. I do not know where you continue to get 143 days (aside from that e-mail that circulated, which was based off a blog post which explicitly stated they didn't actually count the days).
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11-16-2008, 11:39 AM
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| Banned - Self Imposed  Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| I dont think ive seen one post that has countered the conventional wisdom that Palin is the biggest fucking moron who is a politician on the national stage not only that, but she beats them by leaps and bounds it looks like shes the frontrunner for 2012, yeah sure things could change, but she'd be the dumbest major party nominee in american history, and the most ignorant...combine that with her drama queen personality, she literally has no redeeming features the only demographic she does well with is dumb white men who are playing out some sexual fantasy that her winks are directed at them, its so pathetic | ||||
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11-16-2008, 11:21 PM
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| Formerly known as Swift-Bass Conservative Baltimore, MD
| Originally Posted by HughRuss I mesread the post. my bad
Thorgrim, uh, yeah, no redeeming factors except she does for conservatives what Obama did for liberals, talk to them about the issues they care about. | ||||
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11-16-2008, 11:37 PM
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| *insert uninteresting nomenclature here* Independent Unfortunately, Michigan
| Originally Posted by Swift-Bass Really? All I've ever heard or seen from her is a lot of her telling us about how Obama "pals around with terrorists", is planning to "experiment with socialism", that we "don't know who Barack Obama really is", etc.
You wouldn't happen to have some positive quotes and / or videos (especially videos, you know like a picture tells a thousand words and stuff, you betcha') of her talking about that kind of good stuff, would you? I'd really love to see it. | ||||
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