Palin - Page 6

Swift · 11-17-2008, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by Photon1001

Really? All I've ever heard or seen from her is a lot of her telling us about how Obama "pals around with terrorists", is planning to "experiment with socialism", that we "don't know who Barack Obama really is", etc.

You wouldn't happen to have some positive quotes and / or videos (especially videos, you know like a picture tells a thousand words and stuff, you betcha') of her talking about that kind of good stuff, would you? I'd really love to see it.

Her speech at the RNC convention was very good. She hit Obama ans talked about the good things about America.

I'd find some clips but my home computers down(video card broke) so all I have is my work computer youtube takes at least 5 minutes just to load.

motivez · 11-17-2008, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

I mesread the post. my bad

Thorgrim, uh, yeah, no redeeming factors except she does for conservatives what Obama did for liberals, talk to them about the issues they care about.

She reads scripts provided to her, she has been doing the same anchor job she was doing at ESPN, but not with a political twist.

Obama on the other hand did more than just read speeches, he actually came up with the ideas behind those speeches.

Swift · 11-17-2008, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

She reads scripts provided to her, she has been doing the same anchor job she was doing at ESPN, but not with a political twist.

Obama on the other hand did more than just read speeches, he actually came up with the ideas behind those speeches.

Uh, he came up with the idea of income redistrubution?

Either way, she energizes the conservatives by talking about the values they care about. Not as good as Reagan did. But she at least would talk about the things we cared about.

Dont' get me wrong, Palin was the wrong pick right now. But at least she spoke about the issues I cared about and didn't constantly rag on America and the people that are successful. That is just my opinion.

motivez · 11-17-2008, 03:10 PM

She doesn't have the intellectual depth to talk about issues conservatives care about, but she can read a script like any other news caster.. she has plenty of practice.

People who were excited by her candidacy are what's wrong with America, IMO.

Swift · 11-17-2008, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

She doesn't have the intellectual depth to talk about issues conservatives care about, but she can read a script like any other news caster.. she has plenty of practice.

People who were excited by her candidacy are what's wrong with America, IMO.

Uh, what? How about Joe Biden? How many different times did he screw up and he got a pass? Jobs is a three letter word, telling a person in a wheelchair to stand up, getting the number wrong for people who will get a tax increase? I dont' see any threads on this but we have how many on Palin and Africa?

Nah, I think she's a good conservative that was rushed into the spotlight. In a few years she may be just fine.

Photon1001 · 11-17-2008, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

Her speech at the RNC convention was very good. She hit Obama ans talked about the good things about America.

I'd find some clips but my home computers down(video card broke) so all I have is my work computer youtube takes at least 5 minutes just to load.

What good things did she talk about? I'd really like to hear more about her, other than how she's ok because Biden screws up too.

motivez · 11-17-2008, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

Uh, what? How about Joe Biden? How many different times did he screw up and he got a pass? Jobs is a three letter word, telling a person in a wheelchair to stand up, getting the number wrong for people who will get a tax increase? I dont' see any threads on this but we have how many on Palin and Africa?

Nah, I think she's a good conservative that was rushed into the spotlight. In a few years she may be just fine.

Oh please, you can't compare the intellectual depth of Joe Biden to the barley filled kiddie pool that is Sarah Palin, so don't even try.

A gaffe isn't a lack of knowledge, it's a gaffe. And the wheelchair one, he didn't even know the guy was paralyzed, so give me and everyone else with an IQ above room temperature a break.

Palin's idiocy is a much bigger problem than saying the wrong thing, it's about a lack of knowledge.

And those who were excited about her candidacy are what's wrong with the Republican party, and this country. The idea that intelligence doesn't matter as long as you have your "heart" in the right place. It does.

She's stupid and unqualified in every meaningful way.

Thorgrim · 11-17-2008, 04:06 PM

Wolf on CNN, asked her if during/after the campaign, at the governors meeting...anytime...she has some new ideas that would appeal to the american people...she gave some ramble that didn't resemble...anything

and then he re-asked, and she had to go "nope!"

Ronald Reagan was no genius, but he was always thinking, always had ideas

She has no ideas, she simply leeches onto what other people tell her, her only indepedence is her temper tantrums because she wants to be the queen of america

Photon1001 · 11-17-2008, 04:18 PM

But a few weeks ago, as I recall, we were hearing how not having new ideas, not knowing about all the facts and details, not knowing how to use a computer, etc., all wouldn't matter and didn't disqualify someone from the job of being the president, since they could just depend entirely on their aides to tell them what to do all the time...

Swift · 11-17-2008, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

Oh please, you can't compare the intellectual depth of Joe Biden to the barley filled kiddie pool that is Sarah Palin, so don't even try.

A gaffe isn't a lack of knowledge, it's a gaffe. And the wheelchair one, he didn't even know the guy was paralyzed, so give me and everyone else with an IQ above room temperature a break.

Palin's idiocy is a much bigger problem than saying the wrong thing, it's about a lack of knowledge.

And those who were excited about her candidacy are what's wrong with the Republican party, and this country. The idea that intelligence doesn't matter as long as you have your "heart" in the right place. It does.

She's stupid and unqualified in every meaningful way.

You need to slow down a bit man. We were excited about her from the jump because she is conservative and did speak to us like we wanted. after some other things came out we(I) realized that she's not the best choice at the time. But I'm still excited about the possiblity of someone like her being in washington.

Biden's an idiot anyway. He keeps saying stupid things and can't stop. He's been doing it before he was the VP.

Again, I think she'll be great later. Just not today.

Swift · 11-17-2008, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Ronald Reagan was no genius, but he was always thinking, always had ideas

PLease let me know the landmark policies and ideas that reagan had that didn't fall in line with conservatism? Except for that stupid amnesty bill

Photon1001 · 11-17-2008, 04:21 PM

Actually I've heard Joe Biden is extremely intelligent, he just unfortunately kind of likes the liquor a bit much, or so I've been told.

Thorgrim · 11-17-2008, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

PLease let me know the landmark policies and ideas that reagan had that didn't fall in line with conservatism? Except for that stupid amnesty bill

In 1980 mainstream conservatives like Bush called supply side economics "voodoo economics" and he faced a pretty tough primary for someone who would lead the party, because 1980 republican conservatism was not 2008 republican conservatism

In specific, his idea that we should drastically increase spending, and not just in the military, to try and bankrupt the Soviets, while having massive tax cuts, and accepting huge debt...was not conservative, republican, democratic, moderate or liberal...it was Reaganomics

Say what you will, it was his policy and his ideas, after losing in 1976 he didn't go "oh gee gosh im just a movie actor so ill talk like a dope...and oh yeah i have no ideas, nothing now!"

Swift · 11-17-2008, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

In 1980 mainstream conservatives like Bush called supply side economics "voodoo economics" and he faced a pretty tough primary for someone who would lead the party, because 1980 republican conservatism was not 2008 republican conservatism

In specific, his idea that we should drastically increase spending, and not just in the military, to try and bankrupt the Soviets, while having massive tax cuts, and accepting huge debt...was not conservative, republican, democratic, moderate or liberal...it was Reaganomics

Say what you will, it was his policy and his ideas, after losing in 1976 he didn't go "oh gee gosh im just a movie actor so ill talk like a dope...and oh yeah i have no ideas, nothing now!"

Yep, trying to defeat the soviets. Well, his plan worked. Teh only problem is he inadvertantly helped to support terrorists as well.

But let me ask you, how did the people of America like Reagan? And how did they like Clinton?

They loved them both even though they both dropped the ball when it comes to terrorism. Funny hodw that works out huh?

Thorgrim · 11-17-2008, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

Yep, trying to defeat the soviets. Well, his plan worked. Teh only problem is he inadvertantly helped to support terrorists as well.

But let me ask you, how did the people of America like Reagan? And how did they like Clinton?

They loved them both even though they both dropped the ball when it comes to terrorism. Funny hodw that works out huh?

And your point is...Palin didn't drop the ball on terrorism? She sent the Alaska state police to the country of Africa

Swift · 11-17-2008, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

And your point is...Palin didn't drop the ball on terrorism? She sent the Alaska state police to the country of Africa

No, my point is that even though you didn't like Reagan, the public really did. I didn't like Clinton(I'm sure you did) but the public loved him. why? Because he could put his message out there.

I believe Palin will be able to do that once she gets a little more time.

But if you want to think she's a hayseed idiot go right ahead. I thought Clinton was the biggest moron in the world...for getting caught!

Photon1001 · 11-17-2008, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by Swift-Bass

Yep, trying to defeat the soviets. Well, his plan worked. Teh only problem is he inadvertantly helped to support terrorists as well.

From what I've heard recently, on this board, in fact, the fall of Communism was more a credit to Charlie Wilson, D-TX, than to Reagan. But I don't really know all the details about it. I think there was a movie about him recently...

Thorgrim · 11-17-2008, 05:26 PM

Comparing a Rhodes Scholar to Palin...hmm...ok well go ahead, vote for her in 2012 over Obama...obviously a very wise choice based on who can best lead economic and foreign policy

Thorgrim · 11-17-2008, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by Photon1001

From what I've heard recently, on this board, in fact, the fall of Communism was more a credit to Charlie Wilson, D-TX, than to Reagan. But I don't really know all the details about it. I think there was a movie about him recently...

Truman, Ike and...by luck...JFK...were the ones who made Communism failure inevitable, if it wasn't from the start...by the time Nixon left office there was no chance the Soviet Union could last another 50+ years

Swift · 11-17-2008, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Comparing a Rhodes Scholar to Palin...hmm...ok well go ahead, vote for her in 2012 over Obama...obviously a very wise choice based on who can best lead economic and foreign policy

Well, from the looks of things and presidential history that was dicussed before you came back, "higher education" isn't a requirment or assurance of a decent president.