Republican Congressman resigns today after sending sexual messages to 16 y/o boy

[motivez]

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[JaJae]

Originally Posted by thatguyoverthere

Spin, spin, spin... I guess this is the only way the "conservative" apologists can try to defend this pedophile, by implying that two wrongs somehow make a right. Since Kennedy killed a girl and some people defended him, somehow it's okay that Foley is a pedophile and it's okay to defend him too.

Where in this thread has anyone attacking the Kennedy hypocrites said anything about this guy being "right"? In fact, they've all said just the opposite. Kennedy was wrong, and Foley needs to be treated the way Kennedy wasn't. There needs to be a full investigation and if convicted or plead guilty he needs to be in jail. It's a shame some people on this board don't share this same view. The only people giving a pass to a congressmen are the pro-Kennedy, anti-Foley posters. Nobody is saying Kennedy did it, so Foley should get off.

Your entire argument falls right at the first paragraph.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

In this we agree, but a good majority of voting citizens vote republican on moral values alone. They do present themselves as the party of Moral Values.

And a good majority of citizens vote Democrat on moral values alone... pro-choice, environment, social welfares, etc.

In the end it balances out. Both parties suck and there are stereotypes for all kinds of voters.

[KatKanPlay]

Originally Posted by JaJae

And a good majority of citizens vote Democrat on moral values alone... pro-choice, environment, social welfares, etc.

In the end it balances out. Both parties suck and there are stereotypes for all kinds of voters.

Nothing you list here are moral value issues to Democrats. They are freedom and responsibilty issues. It is the Republican Party that touts itself as being the party of moral values. The strength of their base comes from the evangelical right, oh and the rich of course.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

Nothing you list here are moral value issues to Democrats. They are freedom and responsibilty issues. It is the Republican Party that touts itself as being the party of moral values. The strength of their base comes from the evangelical right, oh and the rich of course.

Freedom and responsibility are about as moral as morality gets.

I don't think you mean morals, I think you mean religious. But morals incompasses far more than someone's religious beliefs.

[KatKanPlay]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Freedom and responsibility are about as moral as morality gets.

I don't think you mean morals, I think you mean religious. But morals incompasses far more than someone's religious beliefs.

You are not addressing what I am saying. The Republican Party represents themselves as the party of Moral Values. By doing so the implication is that the Democratic party is not a party of Moral Values. So in terms of this thread, it just shows that many Republicans that are elected simply because they are so damn moral, arent so moral after all. Morality itself is not at issue, actions from a member of the moral values party is. And yes most religious followers think that if you do not share their beliefs you are in fact without moral values.

[KatKanPlay]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Both parties suck and there are stereotypes for all kinds of voters.

I concur...

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

You are not addressing what I am saying. The Republican Party represents themselves as the party of Moral Values. By doing so the implication is that the Democratic party is not a party of Moral Values. So in terms of this thread, it just shows that many Republicans that are elected simply because they are so damn moral, arent so moral after all. Morality itself is not at issue, actions from a member of the moral values party is. And yes most religious followers think that if you do not share their beliefs you are in fact without moral values.

I don't think people vote Republican simply because they claim to be the party of "moral values." I think people vote for them because they share similar beliefs as their "moral values."

[KatKanPlay]

Originally Posted by JaJae

I don't think people vote Republican simply because they claim to be the party of "moral values." I think people vote for them because they share similar beliefs as their "moral values."

And on that I will say you are wrong wrong wrong. I know too many christians that honestly believe this bullshit and vote republican.

[6SpeedTA95]

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

And on that I will say you are wrong wrong wrong. I know too many christians that honestly believe this bullshit and vote republican.

I know a host of christians that vote for democrats for the same reason. The country is full of people that vote for specific parties no matter what and that will never change

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

And on that I will say you are wrong wrong wrong. I know too many christians that honestly believe this bullshit and vote republican.

They vote Republican because they're the party that defends their religious views, abortion, same-sex marriage, public religion, etc. It has nothing to do with "party of values", but rather the fact of what Republicans stand for.

The same is true for Democrats. Liberals vote Democrat for pro-choice, same sex marriage, ending public religion, etc etc.

I don't think people are as sheepish as you think they are. The catch phrase isn't what gets the votes, it what the party stands for. They stand for their morals. And stating that publicly doesn't make people who disagree with those morals flip their switch on election day.

[KatKanPlay]

Originally Posted by JaJae

They vote Republican because they're the party that defends their religious views, abortion, same-sex marriage, public religion, etc. It has nothing to do with "party of values", but rather the fact of what Republicans stand for.

The same is true for Democrats. Liberals vote Democrat for pro-choice, same sex marriage, ending public religion, etc etc.

I don't think people are as sheepish as you think they are. The catch phrase isn't what gets the votes, it what the party stands for. They stand for their morals. And stating that publicly doesn't make people who disagree with those morals flip their switch on election day.

Okay we are arguing just for the sake of arguing. If you cant admit that the Republican Party declared itself as the party of moral values, fine. They did.

And 1,000's upon 1,000's of sheep to the Moral Majority Coalition, voted simply because the coalition told them to and how to vote. And they did it because and only because their leadership told them too. For them to have voted otherwise would have been tantamount to directly defying the will of Jesus Christ. They voted for the party of Moral Values.

[KatKanPlay]

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

I know a host of christians that vote for democrats for the same reason. The country is full of people that vote for specific parties no matter what and that will never change

I agree with you. Many republicans are republicans solely for the whole moral values issue which they directly connect to their religious issues. All I am saying is that I am glad that the myth behind Republican=Moral Values has taken a blow.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

Okay we are arguing just for the sake of arguing. If you cant admit that the Republican Party declared itself as the party of moral values, fine. They did.

I did admit that. Repeatedly. I'm sorry if it didn't come off that way.

And 1,000's upon 1,000's of sheep to the Moral Majority Coalition, voted simply because the coalition told them to and how to vote. And they did it because and only because their leadership told them too. For them to have voted otherwise would have been tantamount to directly defying the will of Jesus Christ. They voted for the party of Moral Values.

That's like saying people joined PETA and now vote Democrat because their leaders tell them to. It's simply not true. They joined this "Coalition" because they already shared the views of its leaders.
And again, I really don't think people are as sheepish as you think they are. This goes on both sides.

[KatKanPlay]

Originally Posted by JaJae

That's like saying people joined PETA and now vote Democrat because their leaders tell them to. It's simply not true. They joined this "Coalition" because they already shared the views of its leaders.
And again, I really don't think people are as sheepish as you think they are. This goes on both sides.

When it comes to the religious right, they are and they do. Whatever personal feelings and thoughts they may have are only temptations by the devil to steer them away from their salvation. For the millions who fight everyday to stay out of Hell, they follow like sheep to slaughter and their personal points of view are only sinnful weaknesses that they must overcome.

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[thatguyoverthere]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Where in this thread has anyone attacking the Kennedy hypocrites said anything about this guy being "right"? In fact, they've all said just the opposite. Kennedy was wrong, and Foley needs to be treated the way Kennedy wasn't. There needs to be a full investigation and if convicted or plead guilty he needs to be in jail. It's a shame some people on this board don't share this same view. The only people giving a pass to a congressmen are the pro-Kennedy, anti-Foley posters. Nobody is saying Kennedy did it, so Foley should get off.

Your entire argument falls right at the first paragraph.

I don't think that it does.

People are giving Foley a pass (and de-facto defending him) when they try to minimize the seriousness of his behavior by comparing it to manslaughter. Can you provide specific links and quotes of posters on this thread defending or minimizing Ted Kennedy's behavior when he left Mary Jo to die?

I know you can't provide quotes of ME defending Kennedy, and I would be very curious to see if you can provide specific links and quotes of people who have posted on this thread who actually defended Kennedy's behavior at Chappaquidick "until they were blue in the face." I would be curious to read it, and I'll be more than happy to denounce them.

Honestly, in all my years as a Democrat, I have never once had a conversation with someone who tried to defend what Ted Kennedy did. I'm not saying that they're not out there; I'm sure that they must be. But me personally, whenever I've discussed Chappaquidick with Democrats, the only response is bascally a sad "I sure wish he hadn't killed that girl."

Seriously, you read about a Congressman revealed to be a pedophile and your first instinct is to "attack the Kennedy hypocrites" and saving none of your outrage for the pedophile? It appears that you must have read the story about Foley and shaken your fist, exclaiming "damn those hypocritical Democrats!"

Your partisianship is showing when you describe people expressing outrage over Foley's behavior as "anti-Foley." Expressing disgust at a pedophile is not being "anti-Foley"; it's called being "anti-pedophile." Are you so tied into the partisan mindset that you can't see that? Apparently so.

Would you be comfortable if I described your position as "anti-Kennedy/pro-Foley?" I doubt it. I would never do such a thing, because I read it in the context of this particular discussion, i.e. Kennedy=Murder and Foley=Pedophilia. But you seem to feel free to imply that people who are "anti-Foley" are giving a "free pass" to murder.

"Kennedy was wrong, and Foley needs to be treated the way Kennedy wasn't." I agree with you there, but when you say that, it seems that you are implying that if Kennedy wasn't properly punished and Republicans were forced to accept it, then if Foley isn't properly punished Democrats should be forced to accept it too. In other words, "What's good for the goose is good for the gander" or "two wrongs make a right." SOP for the GOP as I said.

I believe that my argument still stands until you can show me specific instances where posters on this thread have defended Kennedy for killing Mary Jo.

[thatguyoverthere]

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

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