Republican Congressman resigns today after sending sexual messages to 16 y/o boy

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM

"It's vile. It's more sad than anything else, to see someone with such potential throw it all down the drain because of a sexual addiction."














--Rep. Mark Foley (R-FL), commenting on President Clinton, following release of the Starr Report, September 12, 1998.

I gotta give Clinton Kudo's for that. At least he was hittin on chicks!

[motivez]

National Republican Congressional Committee Chairman Tom Reynolds (N.Y.) issued a statement Saturday in which he said that he had informed Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) of allegations of improper contacts between then-Rep. Mark Foley (R-Fla.) and at least one former male page, contradicting earlier statements from Hastert.

The highly publicized case of Mr. Foley, who served in the House leadership as a deputy whip, threatened to build into an institutional scandal as House leaders acknowledged that they had known about the messages for nearly a year, but had relied on Mr. Foley's word that nothing inappropriate had occurred.

Why do the Republicans hate our children?

They're weak on defense [of children], and aren't willing to do the "hard work" that needs to be done to protect this nation['s children].

They're more interested in protecting the rights of sexual predators than they are with ensuring pedophiles are brought to justice.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by motivez

Why do the Republicans hate our children?

They're weak on defense [of children], and aren't willing to do the "hard work" that needs to be done to protect this nation['s children].

They're more interested in protecting the rights of sexual predators than they are with ensuring pedophiles are brought to justice.

House leadership rips Foley on e-mails - Yahoo! News

WASHINGTON - Rep. Thomas Reynolds, head of the House Republican election effort, said Saturday he told SpeakerDennis Hastert months ago about concerns that a fellow GOP lawmaker had sent inappropriate messages to a teenage boy. Hastert's office said aides referred the matter to the proper authorities last fall but they were only told the messages were "over-friendly."

Nice try though.

[Thorgrim]

It's all about who you believe, A republican congressman and head of the NRCC saying Hastert did something...or one of Hastert's employee's saying his boss didn't do anything bad

just to clarify, you are of the position that there was no cover up? The more information that comes out the more it looks that way...

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

just to clarify, you are of the position that there was no cover up? The more information that comes out the more it looks that way...

I'm currently of the position that Foley is a peice of shit and deserves whatever he gets.

And anyone else, the verdict isn't in yet for me on them. I'll wait until after the Democratic hit job is over and the smoke clears to make any judgements on third parties as to what they did or didn't do about this.

[SICKGUY]

in most cases, i wouldnt really care all that much about people being perverts. but its the attitude that republican send out there, like they know what good morals are, and the rest of us are just heathens.

it just gives me a bit of a laugh when these dudes get busted being pervs and crooks.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by SICKGUY

in most cases, i wouldnt really care all that much about people being perverts. but its the attitude that republican send out there, like they know what good morals are, and the rest of us are just heathens.

it just gives me a bit of a laugh when these dudes get busted being pervs and crooks.

I know. People laughed at the Catholic priests that molested little boys as well. Har har. Nothing funny about gays molesting (or seeming to want to molest) under age boys.

[motivez]

Nice emphasis on "gays", like there's somehow a deficit of underage child molesting with "straights"?

[SICKGUY]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

I know. People laughed at the Catholic priests that molested little boys as well. Har har. Nothing funny about gays molesting (or seeming to want to molest) under age boys.

har har, of course you would come back with an extreme comparison. there is no humor in priests molesting boys, but there was also no suprise in it. religion, and especially the catholic church are the last places anyone should look for "values".

also, gays, straights, preists, men, and women molest children. it has nothing to do with being gay, so dont try and pigeon hole it into something any one group does more than the other.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by SICKGUY

har har, of course you would come back with an extreme comparison. there is no humor in priests molesting boys, but there was also no suprise in it. religion, and especially the catholic church are the last places anyone should look for "values".

also, gays, straights, preists, men, and women molest children. it has nothing to do with being gay, so dont try and pigeon hole it into something any one group does more than the other.

Really? Well it seems strange you would be all happy about it being republican. Seems you are pigeon holing it there. We can narrow it down as simple or as narrow as you like. We can say a man was being too sexual with a young boy. Or, if you narrow it down, a politician was being too sexual with a young boy. Or narrow it down more, a republican politician was being too sexual with a young boy. And narrow it down even more and say a gay republican politician was being too sexual with a young boy. How is that wrong? We have to stop after the republican part???

[motivez]

I don't think there's an implication that this is something that affects "most Republicans" or "more Republicans" than non.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Really? Well it seems strange you would be all happy about it being republican. Seems you are pigeon holing it there. We can narrow it down as simple or as narrow as you like. We can say a man was being too sexual with a young boy. Or, if you narrow it down, a politician was being too sexual with a young boy. Or narrow it down more, a republican politician was being too sexual with a young boy. And narrow it down even more and say a gay republican politician was being too sexual with a young boy. How is that wrong? We have to stop after the republican part???

You guys are working overtime to deflect this as much as this possibly could be deflected.

[SICKGUY]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Really? Well it seems strange you would be all happy about it being republican. Seems you are pigeon holing it there. We can narrow it down as simple or as narrow as you like. We can say a man was being too sexual with a young boy. Or, if you narrow it down, a politician was being too sexual with a young boy. Or narrow it down more, a republican politician was being too sexual with a young boy. And narrow it down even more and say a gay republican politician was being too sexual with a young boy. How is that wrong? We have to stop after the republican part???

ok, the gay thing is going over my head. is the congressman gay?

i only see the humor in it because the republican party IS the party that promotes christian morals, and paints this picture that they are doing whats in the best interest of americans. its something the president was elected on, morals and values. its weird that the same party that has the support of groups like "focus on the family" and the "religious right" can be involved in so many scandals recently.

and before it goes there...of course the dems have their own problems and can be corrupt, but not quite on the same level as the republicans.

[thatguyoverthere]

Originally Posted by JaJae

I'll wait until after the Democratic hit job is over and the smoke clears to make any judgements on third parties as to what they did or didn't do about this.

So, a Republican congressman gettting caught being a pedophile is a "Democratic hit job?" Yeah, it was a Democrat leaning over Foley's shoulder, typing in sex talk to the teen when Foley wasn't looking!

Got any of those links and quotes of "hypocritical" posters on this thread defending Ted Kennedy's actions at Chappaquidick yet, JaJae?
I'm ready to denounce them with vigor. This is your chance to pit Democrat against Democrat and divide us; always a sure way to defeat Democrats! :P

Please show me the hypocracy, I am greatly interested in reading it. I apologize for calling you out on this particular point, but I'd appreciate a response. Thank you in advance.

Frankly, I suspect that your position is bogus, and that there are few (if any) posters who posted on this thread defending Ted Kennedy's actions at Chappaquidick in any previous threads. If you can prove me wrong, I will gladly admit it.

[thatguyoverthere]

About the "cover up." I want to withhold judgement on that. I really hope that there was no cover up by the leadership. It boggles my mind beyond belief that they would know the true extent of Foley's behavior and cover it up.

It makes no sense to me at all, and scares me that people in such positions of power could be so ignorant of history. And just plain stupid.

I'm going to accept the leadership's story for now and hope that they really didn't know the extent of Foley's behavior, because in no way can I imagine people thinking that covering it up would be anything but the most self-destructive action politically possible.

I can't even really process the thought that they would even consider covering it up. If they did, it would force me to re-evaluate my thinking of basic human behavior! Does anyone else feel this way?

I hope there are some more answers coming this week.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by thatguyoverthere

So, a Republican congressman gettting caught being a pedophile is a "Democratic hit job?" Yeah, it was a Democrat leaning over Foley's shoulder, typing in sex talk to the teen when Foley wasn't looking!

Got any of those links and quotes of "hypocritical" posters on this thread defending Ted Kennedy's actions at Chappaquidick yet, JaJae?
I'm ready to denounce them with vigor. This is your chance to pit Democrat against Democrat and divide us; always a sure way to defeat Democrats! :P

Please show me the hypocracy, I am greatly interested in reading it. I apologize for calling you out on this particular point, but I'd appreciate a response. Thank you in advance.

Frankly, I suspect that your position is bogus, and that there are few (if any) posters who posted on this thread defending Ted Kennedy's actions at Chappaquidick in any previous threads. If you can prove me wrong, I will gladly admit it.

I never said Foley is a hit job. I'm saying trying to take down other GOP members as of now is a hit job. Posts like motivez's above and threads like Thorgrim started over posting blame on other Republicans for knowing and doing nothing... when they claim to have presented it to the proper authorities. All the info isn't out yet. It's just a lot of fingerpointing at this point. I'll wait until the smoke clears and the truth comes out before I start blaming third parties... or the entire party.

Senator Kennedy Misled Us

Read the thread. They were defending his lack of jail sentence saying he's a good senator. Some people were screaming for proof even after being told he plead guilty and refusing to read a pdf, etc etc.

People from Mass who run political radio shows were laughing it off. So to claim it was a GOP conspiracy theory doesn't hold water, because the GOP hasn't called him on it publicly and the media hasn't done much to talk about it.

[SpicyMcVoodoo]

Originally Posted by SICKGUY

in most cases, i wouldnt really care all that much about people being perverts. but its the attitude that republican send out there, like they know what good morals are, and the rest of us are just heathens.

it just gives me a bit of a laugh when these dudes get busted being pervs and crooks.

Republicans have to be prepared for this sort of ridicule when they do degenerate stuff. If you hold your party out, and therefore yourself, as the bastion of wholesome morality and values, and the other party as the party of gay hedonist drug addicts, you're going to get lambasted for trying get into a 16 year old boy's pants, having your maid buy your illegal Vicodin, having a gambling addiction, etc.

They brought this on themselves. People tend to smell hypocrites from a mile away. I think most people realize that no one is perfect, but the Republicans have a certain sanctimony that makes it irresistable to take shots when they inevitably screw up.

[Thorgrim]

There are two indisputable facts:

1) The GOP was in charge of the page system and the buck stops with them, and the one Democrat who had some role in the system was kept out of the loop on Foley

2) Reynolds and Hastert publically disagreed with each other on who told who...not just "when, how, what, why" but whether they even were informed of anything or not...Reynold's office said he informed Hastert, Hastert's office said he didn't get anything


That right there shows poor moral leadership, there are A LOT more charges going on right now
(The most serious being that Hastert and other top GOP leaders knew of of Foley's predator status but decided to let the boys be at risk because they could pull Foley's strings on close votes over the issue and threaten to expose him)

There are many more, but even without all the dozens of allegations against the GOP leadership, those first two facts are damaging enough

[KatKanPlay]

Well said Spicy

[SoFlaJDM]

it just keeps getting worse