Mexican GOVERNMENT to protest US border fence

JaJae · 09-30-2006, 05:08 PM

Government to protest over US border fence

October 01, 2006 03:26am

Article from: Agence France-Presse

THE Mexican government plans to protest to US President George W. Bush over a fence that is to be built along the countries' border, aimed at discouraging illegal migration to the United States, foreign ministry sources said today.
The US Congress yesterday approved a bill to build a fence along more than a third of the US-Mexican border.
Mr Bush was expected to sign the bill into law soon.
The House of Representatives passed the same bill on September 14, calling for the 1200km fence.
The fence, to be partly financed from the budget of the Homeland Security Department, was one of the components of a comprehensive immigration reform plan debated by Congress earlier this year.
The plan triggered the most massive demonstrations by immigrants in US history.
Mexico's foreign ministry ``will send a note to the US government to voice its concern at the building of the wall; that has been the position of Foreign Minister Luis Ernesto Derbez, and that remains the position,'' the sources said.
It will address ``respectfully the reasons why the Mexican government does not believe this is the correct answer, and that it could become an insult between nations,'' the source added.
The current bill falls far short of ambitious reform goals set forth by the president, who, in addition to border security measures, wanted to offer legalisation to some of the estimated 11 million illegal immigrants living in the United States and create a system that would regulate the flow of illegal immigrants.
"We can build the tallest fence in the world, and it won't fix our broken immigration system,'' Democratic Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid said in a statement. "Nor will it strengthen security at our borders. To do that, we need the comprehensive reform that the Senate passed earlier this year.''
Republican Majority Leader Bill Frist said the measure calling for the fence was just the first step on the way toward comprehensive immigration reform.

Fuck Mexico and what they consider to be an insult between nations. A government encouraging and teaching its citizens to break into our country illegally deserves no respect. Who do they think they are to protest what we build on our soil?

They act as if we're doing this out of spite. We have a million and one reasons to do this and mostly because the Mexican government refuses to help us on this issue. In fact, they've done just the opposite and slapped us in the face.

I'm sick and tired of Mexico and illegals crying over this stuff. If you don't like it, then stay home and leave us alone.

What's interesting is the more they demand things from us the more America is starting to tell them to piss off. Before they started all this drama, Americans were standing up for them. Now that they've been acting like greedy little morons, our country as a whole is begining to come together and stand up against them. They're partially responsible for this now. All their demonstrations and protests are finally catching up to them.

Stop breaking into our country and causing us problems. If you're gonna break in here and take advantage of the fine people of this nation at least do so quietly and without the screaming of more demands.

These people are criminals and it's about time our nations began to treat them as such.

And I'm sure the argument is gonna be that we all immigrated here from somewhere.. but the difference is my immigrants came here legally. Went right through Ellis Island where some dumbshit messed up our name and put my family in the books... legally.

6SpeedTA95 · 09-30-2006, 05:14 PM

Who gives a shit? It's our border too the fence is going on our side if Mexico had controlled their people, minimized corruption and allowed a market economy to take root free from governmental itnerference we (the US) wouldn't be getting f'd by mexico's influx of illegals into our country.

motivez · 09-30-2006, 05:21 PM

The issue is that money sent back to Mexico from illegal immigrants is the main source of income. Tourism is second.

Without the money, their nation would essentially flounder.. and they know it. That's why they encourage people to come over here, so they can work and send money back to family members who can then spend it.

All in all a fence is a good thing. Mexico needs reforms so it can stand on it's own, but it's never going to happen when their official policy to reform the nation is "leech off America"..

We need to know who's coming into our country more than we need their work.

That said, a recent study done by UNC said that for essentially a 21 million dollar investment (I think that number is right, it's below 30..), illegal immigrants have poured at least a billion dollars into the economy here in NC. That seems like a good investment?

JaJae · 09-30-2006, 05:32 PM

All good points motivez, but many other studies for different regions show they have a negative impact on the economy. And many studies don't take into account how the economy would be if Americans had their jobs and were paying taxes on their income and keeping the money within our economy.

Many of them also don't take into account the increased school budgets in regards to lowering average grades and increases in budgets to keep scores up.

Medical costs are hard to calculate, but we know many hospitals are going out of business and closing up shop because of the illegals who get treatment and don't pay.

The cost to imprison them and all that jazz also isn't always calculated.

So depending on the study you'll see a negative or a positive benefit and it's all really dependent on the region. Whatever is true, it doesn't really change the fact that we need accountability, even if it costs us some money.

6SpeedTA95 · 09-30-2006, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

The issue is that money sent back to Mexico from illegal immigrants is the main source of income. Tourism is second.

Without the money, their nation would essentially flounder.. and they know it. That's why they encourage people to come over here, so they can work and send money back to family members who can then spend it.

All in all a fence is a good thing. Mexico needs reforms so it can stand on it's own, but it's never going to happen when their official policy to reform the nation is "leech off America"..

We need to know who's coming into our country more than we need their work.

That said, a recent study done by UNC said that for essentially a 21 million dollar investment (I think that number is right, it's below 30..), illegal immigrants have poured at least a billion dollars into the economy here in NC. That seems like a good investment?

That's correct that is the issue for Mexico...their ILLEGAL income stream is causing US a problem, we need to stop it.

Yes their nation would flounder under the rule of previous generations. However, they have not been forced to stand on their own in a century. This is the crux of the problem. Their corrupt government both federal and local is pushing for illegal behavior in our country so they can continue in their corrupt ways.

Great third point which ties directly with what I just said. The wall is a good thing, its a start, we also need to crack down on employers that are employing these people. We need to beef up border patrol and help mexico stand on its own two feet. They could really come a long ways in just a decade or so if they really wanted to. It's getting the corrupt officials out that is the key.

Illegals do pour money into the economy, however, they're also a huge leech on the system. Look at the hospitals going out of business in all the states that border mexico. They're going under fast and that hurts american people it takes away valuable resources from the american poor. Not something any of us want.

I'm all for immigration, more so than what we've experienced in recent years but we need a legit system in place.

Nonphixion · 09-30-2006, 06:38 PM

I am glad that we can finally all agree on something here at LL

SpicyMcVoodoo · 09-30-2006, 07:30 PM

Let them protest. Who gives a shit?

motivez · 09-30-2006, 08:44 PM

The question is this: Is the juice worth the squeeze?

If they are a huge leech on the system, but pour more money into the economy than they're taking out through leeching with hospitals, etc.. why is that a bad investment honestly?

If we remove what is essentially an influx of money into our economy, why wouldn't that hurt the nation more than if they're here?

I don't want a response of 'oh well they're illegal' or 'security issues' blah blah blah.. this is just from an economical standpoint.

IminWonderland · 09-30-2006, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

The question is this: Is the juice worth the squeeze?

If they are a huge leech on the system, but pour more money into the economy than they're taking out through leeching with hospitals, etc.. why is that a bad investment honestly?

If we remove what is essentially an influx of money into our economy, why wouldn't that hurt the nation more than if they're here?

I don't want a response of 'oh well they're illegal' or 'security issues' blah blah blah.. this is just from an economical standpoint.

I can address an economic standpoint. I live in an area that has ignored this problem for about 20 years. Our Hospitals are closing. Our school are over run with a ton of mexican kids who can't speak English. Traffic on our roads has increase beyond capacity (On the day they stayed home in "protest" was the fastest I ever got to work since I started working there). They use up the Section 8 housing, or low income housing. They seriously live 5 Families to a single family home, there are neighborhoods that USED to be livable, and now, they are filled with run down cars on the streets, 25 people living to one house, and some neighborhoods have even had sewage issues because of the increase in more people than it is actually for. There are all sorts of programs for people with low income, there is WIC (Food stamps for pregnant women and children), Free Healthcare for Children, Free Tutoring through the schools, but the average low income Californian doesn't get to use these programs, because so many illegal Aliens have worn down the system, that the standards are lower than low.

This is the true culture war. They are not coming here and assimilating into this culture. They come here, the have their allegience to their country, and many of them are here soley for the under the table wages.

Don't look at Southern California via television. If you ever come here, and drive through a REAL neighborhood, you will see the effects of illegal immigration on a region. Not to mention that, what is it, 1 in 5 illegal Men are criminals? In So Cal we have about 7-10 Million Illegals here, and that's from Central on down, do you realize how many illegal immigrant criminals that is? Because it reflects in the cities and the crime here. And they are all jailed here, that costs us money too. And then when they get probation, we pay for that too.

If you a woman illegal, then you are in luck, because the government pays for you to have your baby, feed your baby, pays for your housing, and pays for your schools. If you kid is behind, they spend all the resources to catch them up.

All of this for people who seriously RAN through the desert.

They need to be sent back. All of them. We need to secure our borders.

I don't even want this for the "National Security" issue. I want my California back. I shouldn't have to move because of this, and in reality, I will eventually have to.

JaJae · 09-30-2006, 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

I can address an economic standpoint. I live in an area that has ignored this problem for about 20 years. Our Hospitals are closing. Our school are over run with a ton of mexican kids who can't speak English. Traffic on our roads has increase beyond capacity (On the day they stayed home in "protest" was the fastest I ever got to work since I started working there). They use up the Section 8 housing, or low income housing. They seriously live 5 Families to a single family home, there are neighborhoods that USED to be livable, and now, they are filled with run down cars on the streets, 25 people living to one house, and some neighborhoods have even had sewage issues because of the increase in more people than it is actually for. There are all sorts of programs for people with low income, there is WIC (Food stamps for pregnant women and children), Free Healthcare for Children, Free Tutoring through the schools, but the average low income Californian doesn't get to use these programs, because so many illegal Aliens have worn down the system, that the standards are lower than low.

This is the true culture war. They are not coming here and assimilating into this culture. They come here, the have their allegience to their country, and many of them are here soley for the under the table wages.

Don't look at Southern California via television. If you ever come here, and drive through a REAL neighborhood, you will see the effects of illegal immigration on a region. Not to mention that, what is it, 1 in 5 illegal Men are criminals? In So Cal we have about 7-10 Million Illegals here, and that's from Central on down, do you realize how many illegal immigrant criminals that is? Because it reflects in the cities and the crime here. And they are all jailed here, that costs us money too. And then when they get probation, we pay for that too.

If you a woman illegal, then you are in luck, because the government pays for you to have your baby, feed your baby, pays for your housing, and pays for your schools. If you kid is behind, they spend all the resources to catch them up.

All of this for people who seriously RAN through the desert.

They need to be sent back. All of them. We need to secure our borders.

I don't even want this for the "National Security" issue. I want my California back. I shouldn't have to move because of this, and in reality, I will eventually have to.

I love this response.

Stylerod · 09-30-2006, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

The question is this: Is the juice worth the squeeze?

If they are a huge leech on the system, but pour more money into the economy than they're taking out through leeching with hospitals, etc.. why is that a bad investment honestly?

If we remove what is essentially an influx of money into our economy, why wouldn't that hurt the nation more than if they're here?

I don't want a response of 'oh well they're illegal' or 'security issues' blah blah blah.. this is just from an economical standpoint.

It's not like we are going to forbid people from ever coming here again. Just not illegally. We can still allow 10's of thousands (or more obviously) of people in a year legally if we think it would benefit us.

WE need to decide how many aliens are allowed each year, not them.

6SpeedTA95 · 10-01-2006, 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by motivez

The question is this: Is the juice worth the squeeze?

If they are a huge leech on the system, but pour more money into the economy than they're taking out through leeching with hospitals, etc.. why is that a bad investment honestly?

If we remove what is essentially an influx of money into our economy, why wouldn't that hurt the nation more than if they're here?

I don't want a response of 'oh well they're illegal' or 'security issues' blah blah blah.. this is just from an economical standpoint.

Economics suggest they're more of a drain than any benefit they provide. About 8 months ago the WSJ had a good article on illegal immigration and the total cost to our society. It was about 58 BILLION dollars. That is in my opinion significant.

lew · 10-01-2006, 12:02 AM

Fuck Mexico.

archangel003 · 10-01-2006, 02:36 AM

Dosen't Mexico have a fence on their border with Guatemala?

I'm going to have to disagree with JaJae over the medical care issue. I don't know about CA or TX, but in TN almost all the aliens pay cash for medical care. They have bigger problems getting poor whites to pay than illegal aliens.

kinggovernor · 10-01-2006, 12:34 PM

I would like to take a shit on Mexico

IminWonderland · 10-01-2006, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by archangel003

Dosen't Mexico have a fence on their border with Guatemala?

I'm going to have to disagree with JaJae over the medical care issue. I don't know about CA or TX, but in TN almost all the aliens pay cash for medical care. They have bigger problems getting poor whites to pay than illegal aliens.

They might now. But, then they'll multiply, and then in 20 years they'll have a lobby that will take over your State Government.

That's how it happened in California...

ballz2wallz · 10-01-2006, 02:32 PM

Considering they hand out pamphlets on how to illegally get into the US, I'm not surprised.

SpicyMcVoodoo · 10-01-2006, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

I can address an economic standpoint. I live in an area that has ignored this problem for about 20 years. Our Hospitals are closing. Our school are over run with a ton of mexican kids who can't speak English. Traffic on our roads has increase beyond capacity (On the day they stayed home in "protest" was the fastest I ever got to work since I started working there). They use up the Section 8 housing, or low income housing. They seriously live 5 Families to a single family home, there are neighborhoods that USED to be livable, and now, they are filled with run down cars on the streets, 25 people living to one house, and some neighborhoods have even had sewage issues because of the increase in more people than it is actually for. There are all sorts of programs for people with low income, there is WIC (Food stamps for pregnant women and children), Free Healthcare for Children, Free Tutoring through the schools, but the average low income Californian doesn't get to use these programs, because so many illegal Aliens have worn down the system, that the standards are lower than low.

This is the true culture war. They are not coming here and assimilating into this culture. They come here, the have their allegience to their country, and many of them are here soley for the under the table wages.

Don't look at Southern California via television. If you ever come here, and drive through a REAL neighborhood, you will see the effects of illegal immigration on a region. Not to mention that, what is it, 1 in 5 illegal Men are criminals? In So Cal we have about 7-10 Million Illegals here, and that's from Central on down, do you realize how many illegal immigrant criminals that is? Because it reflects in the cities and the crime here. And they are all jailed here, that costs us money too. And then when they get probation, we pay for that too.

If you a woman illegal, then you are in luck, because the government pays for you to have your baby, feed your baby, pays for your housing, and pays for your schools. If you kid is behind, they spend all the resources to catch them up.

All of this for people who seriously RAN through the desert.

They need to be sent back. All of them. We need to secure our borders.

I don't even want this for the "National Security" issue. I want my California back. I shouldn't have to move because of this, and in reality, I will eventually have to.

This still doesn't answer the question of whether illegals are a net benefit for the economy.