First up, Jerry Falwell: Jerry Falwell Ministries *crickets* Oh well, I'm sure Dr. James Dobson at Focus on the Family has spoken out: Focus on the Family With Dr. James Dobson *crickets* The Traditional Values Coalition?? The Traditional Values Coalition ::: Empowering People of Faith through Knowledge *crickets* Tony Perkins ...
10-02-2006, 02:45 AM
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| Conservative Christians respond to Foley predator scandal First up, Jerry Falwell: Jerry Falwell Ministries *crickets* Oh well, I'm sure Dr. James Dobson at Focus on the Family has spoken out: Focus on the Family With Dr. James Dobson *crickets* The Traditional Values Coalition?? The Traditional Values Coalition ::: Empowering People of Faith through Knowledge *crickets* Tony Perkins over at the Family Research Council??? Family Research Council: Monday, October 2, 2006 "BY03H27" *crickets* Pat Robertson???? PatRobertson.com *crickets* Concerned Women for America ??? Concerned Women for America *crickets* Christian Coalition of America ??? Christian Coalition of America *crickets* (Disclaimer: Style and general tipoff was messaged to me by James Halpin) I think in this case, silence speaks volumnes...some of the economic conservatives should take another look at thier reliance on Christian conservatives Last edited by Thorgrim; 10-02-2006 at 04:43 AM.. | ||||
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10-02-2006, 02:48 AM
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| One American Family at a Time.  Idealist The OC, California
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10-02-2006, 03:34 AM
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| You poop from your mouth.  Populist
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10-02-2006, 07:41 AM
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| Wouldn't/shouldn't they only respond if they were somehow related to him? Wouldn't/shouldn't they respond only if he was a 'devout Christian'? Do they comment on child abuses/molestation every single time it's brought up? I'm not really sure what you expect here... | ||||
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10-02-2006, 07:48 AM
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| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz Ofcourse they are related to him, they all directly or indirectly donated money to help him win re-election. Also he is a devout Christian...and this just isn't any case...he was the deputy minority whip, a key position in the GOP house leadership which all those organizations work very hard for... 
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10-02-2006, 07:51 AM
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| Originally Posted by Thorgrim link?
Doesn't everyone work very hard for organizations like this? Who doesn't try to help the kids? | ||||
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10-02-2006, 08:09 AM
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| 1) Christian right in United States politics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 2004 Representative Foley supported the interests of the Christian Coalition 84 percent in 2004. Project Vote Smart - Representative Foley - Interest Group Ratings 2) On CNN he was reported as a Christian and there is no evidence he did not take his religion as seriously as any other Christian...there is no "link" that can you anyone any "proof" of someone's "christianess" for all we know Bush worships Satan, we can only go by what people say 3) Foley resigns from Congress over e-mails - Yahoo! News Foley was a member of the Republican leadership, serving as a deputy whip. | ||||
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10-02-2006, 08:18 AM
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| Originally Posted by Thorgrim Wow, Foley supported the same things the Christian Coalition did by a whopping 84%!!! That's undeniable proof that they are connected in some way!!!
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10-02-2006, 08:32 AM
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| Ok, basic political facts here: The christian coalition, family research council, etc, puts in a huge amount of money and organization across the US, including Florida, and including FL-16, to continually re-elect Rep. Foley because he is a Republican Not only that, but Foley cited himself as a "deep catholic" and pushed for Christian programs Project Vote Smart - Public Statements Not only that, but Foley is a senior member of the GOP House Leadership...something the Christian Right pushes for hard and often, they supply GOTV efforts, influence church members to vote, etc To deny there is a link between the GOP House Leadership and the Christian Coalition (FRC and other Religious Right organizations) is something that should lose someone all credibility to speak on anything political ever again. | ||||
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10-02-2006, 08:34 AM
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| Originally Posted by Thorgrim
You're trying a bit too hard here to tie these posted organizations in the OP...and their lack of response specifically to Foley...based solely on the fact that he is Republican and they are too. | ||||
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10-02-2006, 08:37 AM
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| America Fuck Yea Election Moderator  Republican In Name Only
| he is catholic then jerry falwell won't like him right? | ||||
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10-02-2006, 08:37 AM
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| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz I just want to hear you say it...say the GOP Congressional Leadership and Religious Right have no significant relationship
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10-02-2006, 08:40 AM
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| Originally Posted by Thorgrim That has absolutely nothing to do with Foley himself having a relationship with Christian organizations. I won't deny Christians typically vote Republican. The Republican party stands for what they believe more than the Democratic party does. That's common sense. I'm not sure what you're looking for here
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10-02-2006, 08:44 AM
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| No one cares about christians voting republican or any of that crap, maybe hindus vote green? who cares...also no one asked you to tell us all how great the republican party is I am talking about the huge GOTV, political fundraising, and political lobbying the Christian Right does on behalf of the Republican Party, and this effort is a significant relationship between GOP Congressional Leaders and Leaders of the Christian Religious Right Just say they do or they don't, its a simple question | ||||
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| Originally Posted by Thorgrim Uh, of course they do. I've already answered that. Why do you need me to answer what common sense supposedly already tells you?
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10-02-2006, 08:51 AM
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| Ok, you just agreed they have a significant relationship with the GOP Congressional Leadership, as Deputy Whip Foley is at the top of the GOP House Leadership. Foley is a key member of that significant relationship...and the Religious Right has completely ignored his predator status. | ||||
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10-02-2006, 08:54 AM
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| minor irritant &/or non-entity News Moderator Contrarian Birmingham, UK
| How quickly were these organisation writing about Clintons sexual 'misdemeanours' back in the day? this might provide data for accuations of uneven-handed bias display etc as if it matters | ||||
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10-02-2006, 08:55 AM
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| Originally Posted by Thorgrim And I find that absolutely absurd that you would expect them to say something. Maybe they will, maybe they won't, but don't we already know what they think about it?
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10-02-2006, 09:02 AM
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| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz They say stuff about immoral politicians all the time, Clinton being an obvious example...but they won't speak out against their own?
I don't know what they think, maybe they think its ok because conservatives christians care more about winning seats than the Bible They certainly haven't spoken out against Foley's actions, maybe they condone them because he kept the seat Republican. After all the most powerful figure in the Religious Right of the 1990s, Ralph Reed, was involved with bribery cases with Jack Abramoff...maybe its all a scam? | ||||
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10-02-2006, 09:03 AM
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| I DIDNT KNOW THAT  Corpus Christi, Texas
| Originally Posted by kinggovernor I think you are right, since catholics are not born again christians, jerry falwell will more than likely come out with some sort of statement that it was his lack of godliness that got him into this mess. Im surprised he wasnt kicked out of the GOP long before now!
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