Originally Posted by kinggovernor A general would not want this quote in a book, critizing the president is a big no no Then you guys should stop using the Generals opinions as reasons for anything involving the war....
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10-02-2006, 10:30 PM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator  Humanist Chicago Suburbs 
| Originally Posted by kinggovernor Then you guys should stop using the Generals opinions as reasons for anything involving the war. 
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10-02-2006, 11:14 PM
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| Banned - Self Imposed  Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Woodward was on CNN just now and repeated the story, no one from the Pentagon or WH all weekend or today denied the report... That's pretty fucking stinging, I don't care who you are | ||||
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10-03-2006, 12:13 AM
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| America Fuck Yea Election Moderator  Republican In Name Only
| Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent Generals have no public opinion, only support for the administration
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10-03-2006, 12:13 AM
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| America Fuck Yea Election Moderator Republican In Name Only
| Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM
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10-03-2006, 01:35 AM
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| Banned - Self Imposed Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Originally Posted by kinggovernor While leading the hunt for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq in the summer of 2003, David Kay received a phone call from "Scooter'' Libby, Dick Cheney's chief of staff, who wanted a particular place searched: "The vice president wants to know if you've looked at this area. We have indications -- and here are the geocoordinates -- that something's buried there.'' Kay and his experts located the area on the map. It was in the middle of Lebanon.
This story from Bob Woodward's "State of Denial'' would be hilarious were it not about war. The vignette is dismaying because it seems symptomatic of a blinkering monomania that may have prevented obsessed persons from facing facts. ... "Where's the leader?'' Bush, according to Woodward, has exclaimed in dismay about the Iraqi government's dithering. "Where's George Washington? Where's Thomas Jefferson? Where's John Adams, for crying out loud?'' For a president to ask that question about Iraq, that tribal stew, is enough to cause one to ask it about the United States. -George Will RealClearPolitics - Articles - The Leaders We Have | ||||
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10-03-2006, 01:37 AM
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| Banned - Self Imposed Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Originally Posted by kinggovernor They swear an oath to the constitution which calls for the protection of the general welfare of the United States...not to political career of a current president
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10-03-2006, 01:51 AM
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| Baka  Idealist Adelaide, Australia
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim That is how it should be.
If the administration does not listen to it's professionals, they shouldn't have to hold their tounges either | ||||
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10-03-2006, 08:06 AM
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| America Fuck Yea Election Moderator Republican In Name Only
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim Douglas MacArthur tried that and lost:
The American Experience | MacArthur | MacArthur's Speeches: "Old Soldiers Never Die..." People said the same thing about Clinton when he lied, that didn't matter he is still the commander in chief. Article 88: "Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct." | ||||
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10-03-2006, 08:06 AM
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| America Fuck Yea Election Moderator Republican In Name Only
| Originally Posted by Kytro we don't want the military to get involved in politics
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10-03-2006, 10:11 AM
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| Banned - Self Imposed Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Originally Posted by kinggovernor Yeah calling for nuclear war is one thing, saving lives is another
If Abizaid and other generals have to hide behind Murtha but are convinced "we need to get the fuck out of the there", then they should go public, if it costs them their command, so be it soliders lives>their military career | ||||
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10-03-2006, 10:37 AM
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| America Fuck Yea Election Moderator Republican In Name Only
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim we really don't want the military involved in politics, that is a really dangerous road to walk down
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10-03-2006, 11:29 AM
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| Banned - Self Imposed Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Originally Posted by kinggovernor Powell and other US Generals about Vietnam: "Never again"
that >>> the risk you are so worried about No one is talking about active generals getting involved in what politician has the best plan etc...but if an Admin is lying to the people and hurting the military, a general needs to speak up and submit his resignation for the president to take as an option | ||||
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10-03-2006, 12:42 PM
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| One American Family at a Time.  Idealist The OC, California
| Originally Posted by kinggovernor I don't think these Generals giving an honest assessment of what they believe is going on in Iraq is political. They aren't being political, they are being honest. And what part is the "dangerous" road? We have military personal in our government anyways?
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10-03-2006, 04:10 PM
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| Ron Paul '08  Republican Queens, NY
| Originally Posted by kinggovernor MacArthur in his most prominent and later times -- tried to expose the blackmail and sexual misconduct in the military, and that very same entity that he was trying to expose and change brought him down.
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10-03-2006, 05:11 PM
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| America Fuck Yea Election Moderator Republican In Name Only
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim that is the difference between active and retired generals
resigning and then speaking out is a great idea, if they believe so strongly | ||||
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10-03-2006, 05:12 PM
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| America Fuck Yea Election Moderator Republican In Name Only
| Originally Posted by IminWonderland in other countries the military seizes power and suddenly there is no government, so the generals are the most important people in the country. We don't want that, generals work for politicans.
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10-03-2006, 05:28 PM
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| Banned - Self Imposed Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Originally Posted by kinggovernor active generals can be fired, i dont see a problem
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10-03-2006, 05:36 PM
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| Master Debator Election Moderator  Democrat Omaha, NE
| I agree with tkg but i also agree with the others... but this is how it needs to be done. It is up to these generals to tell the president that we need to do "plan a" and if the president does not agree, and the general feels strongly about it, he needs to resign first and then publically say its fucked up. If abizaid truly feels it is in the soldiers and our military best interest to carry out what John Murtha described, then he needs to step down and publically say Bush is not listening to his commanders. He has the moral responsibility to do that for the sake of the soldiers and their lives. | ||||
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10-03-2006, 05:40 PM
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| America Fuck Yea Election Moderator Republican In Name Only
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim making a private conversation public is a pretty low way of potentially ruining someone's career
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10-03-2006, 05:41 PM
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