Uptight Christian parents lobby school district to BAN Farenheit 451 - Page 3

archangel003 · 10-03-2006, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

We don't need to talk about the hundreds of thousands of people killed in WW2 to teach WW2? That silly.

The holocaust? The firebombing of Dresdan? Hiroshima and Nagasaki? None of those things need to be taught? Those contain massive amouints of violence. It doesn't have to be gore to violent.

We'll do what's already done now in public schools. Depict those areas with maps with blue and red lines, maybe show a picture of the mushroom cloud in an inset in the textbook.

Scrum · 10-03-2006, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by archangel003

We'll do what's already done now in public schools. Depict those areas with maps with blue and red lines, maybe show a picture of the mushroom cloud in an inset in the textbook.

Little Johnny read The Outsiders this week in school and he said "poop" at the dinner table tonight!

Damn that Ponyboy ruining my family. I had them nice and cozy in their little bubble too.

I seriously think these people should move to Amish country. That's more their pace.

archangel003 · 10-03-2006, 10:13 AM

ballz2wallz · 10-03-2006, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

We don't need to talk about the hundreds of thousands of people killed in WW2 to teach WW2? That silly.

The holocaust? The firebombing of Dresdan? Hiroshima and Nagasaki? None of those things need to be taught? Those contain massive amouints of violence. It doesn't have to be gore to violent.

Saying '100 million people were killed' is a lot different than reading explicit descriptions of gore, or seeing movie that depict it. You don't have to describe violence to explain that so many people were killed, do you?

avsp · 10-03-2006, 10:17 AM

in the case of this school alternate material is offered for those with specific concerns about Bradburys book, that still (apparently), addressed similar issues

thus b2w should be happy with the situation. I quite like it too.

thus the parents in question position is a little wierd, ..., they are objecting to the school using it at all

avsp · 10-03-2006, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Saying '100 million people were killed' is a lot different than reading explicit descriptions of gore, or seeing movie that depict it. You don't have to describe violence to explain that so many people were killed, do you?

equally though the casual dipiction of violence endemic in media now totally misrepresents the reality, ..., & thus education can be limited by failing to show 'the dead bodies piled up in mounds'

it was easier for my generation, ..., we had nagasaki & holocaust survivors visit our classroom

lew · 10-03-2006, 10:27 AM

If I remember correctly, the "filthy language" used in the book are the words 'damn' and 'hell.'

ballz2wallz · 10-03-2006, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by avsp

it was easier for my generation, ..., we had nagasaki & holocaust survivors visit our classroom

Now that would be crazy...

ballz2wallz · 10-03-2006, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by lew

If I remember correctly, the "filthy language" used in the book are the words 'damn' and 'hell.'

Like I said, I don't know anything specifically about this book, but I'm speaking more in a general sense. I'd have to read this book before I decide what's fit for my kids.

lew · 10-03-2006, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Like I said, I don't know anything specifically about this book, but I'm speaking more in a general sense. I'd have to read this book before I decide what's fit for my kids.

I don't have a problem with that. I would like to know what my kids are reading as well. But in this specific example, this guy is an idiot. It's a fantastic work on authoritarian society.

ballz2wallz · 10-03-2006, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by lew

I don't have a problem with that. I would like to know what my kids are reading as well. But in this specific example, this guy is an idiot. It's a fantastic work on authoritarian society.

It's very possible.

Scrum · 10-03-2006, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by lew

I don't have a problem with that. I would like to know what my kids are reading as well. But in this specific example, this guy is an idiot. It's a fantastic work on authoritarian society.

But if you find a book offensive, are you all for people banning the book for the whole school based on your sensibilities?

ballz2wallz · 10-03-2006, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

But if you find a book offensive, are you all for people banning the book for the whole school based on your sensibilities?

If it is questionable material, it should not be presented. It is not necessary, given the plethora of literature out there without questionable material. The operative term is 'questionable' in case you haven't picked that up.

lew · 10-03-2006, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

But if you find a book offensive, are you all for people banning the book for the whole school based on your sensibilities?

Of course not. But I would be for not allowing my child to read it.

Scrum · 10-03-2006, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

If it is questionable material, it should not be presented. It is not necessary, given the plethora of literature out there without questionable material. The operative term is 'questionable' in case you haven't picked that up.

But what's questionable to you and what's questionable to me are two different things. If the school and I agree, why should your opinion matter more?

Scrum · 10-03-2006, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by lew

Of course not. But I would be for not allowing my child to read it.

I'm fine with that too. Teach your kids whatever you want. Tell them the moon is made of cheese for all I care.
Just don't interfere with my childs education by banning something only you find questionable.

avsp · 10-03-2006, 11:01 AM

what isnt questionable?

at least to some?

ballz2wallz · 10-03-2006, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

But what's questionable to you and what's questionable to me are two different things. If the school and I agree, why should your opinion matter more?

Exactly. But the fact that it's questionable to anybody makes it just that, questionable. Obviously there are extremes (perhaps this guy) but I'm sure we all have a good handle on what questionable material is. Otherwise, there wouldn't be a rating system for video games, movies and TV.

Scrum · 10-03-2006, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Exactly. But the fact that it's questionable to anybody makes it just that, questionable.

No. Wrong. That's not correct. If I think it's not questionable you think it is, that doesn't make it questionable.

If you don't like the school curriculum, don't send your kids to that school. Send them to private school or homeschool them.

ballz2wallz · 10-03-2006, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

No. Wrong. That's not correct. If I think it's not questionable you think it is, that doesn't make it questionable.

That's the definition of questionable.

ques‧tion‧a‧ble /ˈkwɛstʃənəbəl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kwes-chuh-nuh-buhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–adjective 1. of doubtful propriety, honesty, morality, respectability, etc.: questionable activities; in questionable taste.
2. open to question or dispute; doubtful or uncertain: a statement of questionable accuracy.
3. open to question as to being of the nature or value suggested: a questionable privilege.