Ok, well i guess they sell things cheap - Page 6

KatKanPlay · 10-03-2006, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

they already have and have always have had that policy. Jobs under 10 bucks an hour don't rate health care

And more and more jobs are under 10 bucks an hour. It is said by many that the gulf between the haves and the have nots is getting wider.

Kytro · 10-03-2006, 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

And more and more jobs are under 10 bucks an hour. It is said by many that the gulf between the haves and the have nots is getting wider.

Sure it is. It's easier to get money once you have money, simply the way the economy works.

I'm not going to say people who are not well off are in that situation because it is thier own fault, but poor decisions keep them there. Either through lack of knowledge or social constraints.

I'm by no means poor, but I'm not rich either.

The reason I am not well on my way is over last 2 months I spent:

$550 going out to dinner
$400 on alcohol and pubs (Damn Australian Taxes)
$500 or so on petrol
$800 on on other car expenses
$2500 or so on "stuff" i wanted (new bed, mobile phone)

kinggovernor · 10-03-2006, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

And more and more jobs are under 10 bucks an hour. It is said by many that the gulf between the haves and the have nots is getting wider.

Ok, well i guess they sell things cheap

if you don't have any job skills I don't feel bad for you. The days of getting a 25 dollar an hour job at the GM stamping plant with only a HS degree are over.

Kytro · 10-03-2006, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

if you don't have any job skills I don't feel bad for you. The days of getting a 25 dollar an hour job at the GM stamping plant with only a HS degree are over.

Things change over time, different skills are needed. People son't pay according to the need of the employee, but according to the value provided and how that fits with supply and demand

KatKanPlay · 10-03-2006, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

Ok, well i guess they sell things cheap

if you don't have any job skills I don't feel bad for you. The days of getting a 25 dollar an hour job at the GM stamping plant with only a HS degree are over.

So are the days of leading the world in manufacturing.

thomez · 10-03-2006, 11:33 PM

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

If more companies adopted Walmarts policies, we will be a 2 class system in no time.

got any facts to back up that ridiculous statement?

every employer on earth would love to know how they can get everything done the same while paying Walmart labor prices and benefits - they'd get super duper rich!!

KatKanPlay · 10-04-2006, 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by thomez

got any facts to back up that ridiculous statement?

every employer on earth would love to know how they can get everything done the same while paying Walmart labor prices and benefits - they'd get super duper rich!!

Ridiculous statement?? What kind of facts do you want?? I stated an opinion. If the Lowe's and the Home Depot's and the other large retail outlets adopt Walmarts policies, you will see more and more poverty. So the divide grows. If you dont think the middle class is in jeopardy then you are living in a bubble. Im also a responsible individual who has to get up and go to work tomorrow, and damn this site,,,, I have stayed up past my bed time again. I dont have time to go trolling for facts for you right now, so let me get back atcha.

thomez · 10-04-2006, 12:09 AM

both Lowe's and Home Depot require greater skill sets than average Walmart positions

think they can pay exactly the same for labor?

kinggovernor · 10-04-2006, 12:40 AM

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

So are the days of leading the world in manufacturing.

pretty much

kinggovernor · 10-04-2006, 12:41 AM

Originally Posted by Kytro

Things change over time, different skills are needed. People son't pay according to the need of the employee, but according to the value provided and how that fits with supply and demand

the supply of unskilled HS grads outweighs the demand, thus the wages are low

IminWonderland · 10-04-2006, 01:23 AM

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

If more companies adopted Walmarts policies, we will be a 2 class system in no time.

The Have's and the Have Not's.

Proletarian and the Elite.

IminWonderland · 10-04-2006, 01:39 AM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

I really don't get this, lots of people that are "working poor" use government services; isn't that the idea of them. We don't want to punish those who take low paying jobs by providing better services if you stay home and there isn't a company that is going to provide comprehensive health care to low wage workers, there is no profit in it. So what would people really like to happen

I thought that the purposes of these programs, was to help people with the necessaties of life, until they could get back on their feet.

Necessaties include, Food, Shelter, and medicine.

The problem is, is that alot of the jobs that people with little or no education, or what might be what we consider on the "bottom" of the work pyramid, don't have the kind of jobs they used to because of technology and outsourcing. This is creating a huge gap, and that is really not good for society.

It's the result of capatalism, and that maybe the economic freedom many believe is a part of our culture and our tradition, but, it comes with a price, and this is that price.

IminWonderland · 10-04-2006, 01:44 AM

Originally Posted by thomez

got any facts to back up that ridiculous statement?

every employer on earth would love to know how they can get everything done the same while paying Walmart labor prices and benefits - they'd get super duper rich!!

I don't believe it to be ridiculous. I believe that many people have seen this coming. Books are written about it foretelling the future of what happens when the rich get so rich, that all that's left are the poor and the rich.

A Middle Class, which I believe everyone here is, is essentially for a functioning economy, isn't it? Or do we just need the bossman, and the proles?

kinggovernor · 10-04-2006, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

I thought that the purposes of these programs, was to help people with the necessaties of life, until they could get back on their feet.

Necessaties include, Food, Shelter, and medicine.

The problem is, is that alot of the jobs that people with little or no education, or what might be what we consider on the "bottom" of the work pyramid, don't have the kind of jobs they used to because of technology and outsourcing. This is creating a huge gap, and that is really not good for society.

It's the result of capatalism, and that maybe the economic freedom many believe is a part of our culture and our tradition, but, it comes with a price, and this is that price.

they has been a working poor section of society forever. If you have no job skills you aren't going to make alot of money.

Kytro · 10-04-2006, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

they has been a working poor section of society forever. If you have no job skills you aren't going to make alot of money.

Forever is a bit harsh, for the forseable future rather.

7960 · 10-04-2006, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

He said I was as responsible as Walmart.

Thanks for jumping in with an opinion I don't care about though.

You're really not getting this?? The next sentence said "NOT AT ALL"... meaning you and walmart have 0 responsibility to provide healthcare.

You guys tout Walmart as the pinnacle of capitalism, when they force universal healthcare and a form of socialism on the rest of us by not providing for their employees.

No, people who won't provide for themselves do that, not walmart. If people made it a requirement for walmart to provide healthcare then they would or they wouldn't have any employees. Apparently people are not willing to force walmart to provide it.

IminWonderland · 10-04-2006, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

they has been a working poor section of society forever. If you have no job skills you aren't going to make alot of money.

I don't think anyone is trying to insinuate that there will be abolishment of a working poor. But, at one time it was possible to have a working poor that didn't need societal programs, what happened to that? They used them and went off them because there was an opportunity to move up, even if the person was uneducated and poor. Just because someone is uneducated, doesn't mean that they are stupid or incapable. Many times Job skills are acquired by time. But, the job skills the working poor used to rely on, are now done by machine, or 5 year old Chinese Children. Some call that the "market" or Capatalism....others look at that and call it a widening gap.

Diesel66 · 10-04-2006, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

Ridiculous statement?? What kind of facts do you want?? I stated an opinion. If the Lowe's and the Home Depot's and the other large retail outlets adopt Walmarts policies, you will see more and more poverty.

All other retail stores already follow similar policies. The only one that I know that pays high and gives benefits is Costco, but they ask a lot more from the employees then the general idiots that work retail. Grocery stores pay well and have benefits but they are union and losing ground.

When the local walmart expanded to the Super walmart they had over 500 people applying for 100 jobs. Guess the people see Walmart as better then the alternative.

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

Not many I wouold imagine.

Must be nice to lean on the public to care for your employees so you don't have to pay for it.

Why does the company have to pay for it ?

Scrum · 10-04-2006, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by Diesel66

Why does the company have to pay for it ?

Why do I have to pay for it?

kinggovernor · 10-04-2006, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

I don't think anyone is trying to insinuate that there will be abolishment of a working poor. But, at one time it was possible to have a working poor that didn't need societal programs, what happened to that? They used them and went off them because there was an opportunity to move up, even if the person was uneducated and poor. Just because someone is uneducated, doesn't mean that they are stupid or incapable. Many times Job skills are acquired by time. But, the job skills the working poor used to rely on, are now done by machine, or 5 year old Chinese Children. Some call that the "market" or Capatalism....others look at that and call it a widening gap.

a cashier job at walmart is not a career, those people should be working all day and then going to night school, assuming they are not stupid or incapable.
I have no problem with a large gap between winners and losers, it makes all the work required to win worthwhile