Ok, well i guess they sell things cheap

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

Why do I have to pay for it?

You would pay it if the company provided health insurance, with every purchase you make. You pay it if you buy your own health insurrance, just by the way insurrance programs work.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

You would pay it if the company provided health insurance, with every purchase you make.

I don't shop there.

Again, those are the people that should bear a greater burdon of their health costs. That is if anyone has to.

Originally Posted by Diesel66

You pay it if you buy your own health insurrance, just by the way insurrance programs work.

True, but at least they would be paying as well.

[KatKanPlay]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

a cashier job at walmart is not a career, those people should be working all day and then going to night school, assuming they are not stupid or incapable.
I have no problem with a large gap between winners and losers, it makes all the work required to win worthwhile

So am I to understand you could care less if there is much of a middle class?

These people provide the very structure that makes Walmarts profits. If we all had Phd's, who the hell would stock the shelves at the local walmart.

I do not advocate Walmart GIVING its employees free benefits. I do not get free benefits, it is all part of a compensation package. What Walmart is doing is nothing short of corporate greed that in the long run effects all of us. This kind of practice allows a disproportionate amount of wealth to be gathered into one sector of our society.

Walmart became a great and powerful corporation because this country stands and defends free enterprise and capitalism. Our whole system was established on a base of checks and balances. This should be no different. As a member of any one community across this country, Walmart has an obligation to contribute to that community and return the publics support by contributing in the best way possible,,,The livelihood of its employees. America is about the ability to get to the top, but once you have arrived there, you are not without obligation to pay America back.

The attitude that only losers work at Walmart so, they are getting what they deserve, doesnt give Walmart a free pass to hurt the very society that gave it its great wealth.

[KatKanPlay]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

You would pay it if the company provided health insurance, with every purchase you make. You pay it if you buy your own health insurrance, just by the way insurrance programs work.

Why should any of us have to pay. With the huge profits Walmart enjoys, they cant take a hit and be responsible as an employer? I see no reason or justification that this company cant take care of its own. The only answer is sheer corporate greed.

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

So am I to understand you could care less if there is much of a middle class?

These people provide the very structure that makes Walmarts profits. If we all had Phd's, who the hell would stock the shelves at the local walmart.

I do not advocate Walmart GIVING its employees free benefits. I do not get free benefits, it is all part of a compensation package. What Walmart is doing is nothing short of corporate greed that in the long run effects all of us. This kind of practice allows a disproportionate amount of wealth to be gathered into one sector of our society.

Walmart became a great and powerful corporation because this country stands and defends free enterprise and capitalism. Our whole system was established on a base of checks and balances. This should be no different. As a member of any one community across this country, Walmart has an obligation to contribute to that community and return the publics support by contributing in the best way possible,,,The livelihood of its employees. America is about the ability to get to the top, but once you have arrived there, you are not without obligation to pay America back.

The attitude that only losers work at Walmart so, they are getting what they deserve, doesnt give Walmart a free pass to hurt the very society that gave it its great wealth.

I am sure Walmart pays alot in corporate taxes. Walmart has made life for the lower and middle class of America much better

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

Why should any of us have to pay. With the huge profits Walmart enjoys, they cant take a hit and be responsible as an employer? I see no reason or justification that this company cant take care of its own. The only answer is sheer corporate greed.

justification = their stockholders

[KatKanPlay]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

I am sure Walmart pays alot in corporate taxes. Walmart has made life for the lower and middle class of America much better

More Americans work and live in poverty. Who is responsible? - Dec. 24, 2004

"There is no mandate for corporations except for the minimum wage, which is set at $5.15 an hour. After that, the issue's up to the ethicists," said William Dickens, a labor economist with the Brookings Institution.

Several economists, labor activists and legal analysts also agreed that placing the welfare of American workers at the mercy of corporate largesse is dangerous for employees because of what Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan has dubbed Wall Street's "infectious greed."

Nussbaum said business pressure and government leniency have over the last 50 years dismantled laws enacted 100 years ago to protect workers from business interests. "We have to see this as part of a greater trend in the corporate culture and force the government to do something about it, or soon workers will have nothing left," she added.

Walmart has not contributed to making the lower and middle class better, if anything they have contributed to the stagnation of the lower and middle class. Furthermore in many cases they are the only game in town, so you just about have to shop there. They do not choose to take the high road, they choose to get fat on their profits and to hell with what is good for their America.

[KatKanPlay]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

justification = their stockholders

Profits come after the bills are payed. Taking care of your workforce is part of the game. Their stockholders are no better than any others, and they have the same responsibilities as the rest.

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

Profits come after the bills are payed. Taking care of your workforce is part of the game. Their stockholders are no better than any others, and they have the same responsibilities as the rest.

part of the game of maximizing profit, home depot employs a strategy of paying its workers more, thinking they will get better employees. walmart feels differently. I know that when I am in walmart, I will recieve crappy service from employees, because they are paid shit wages

[KatKanPlay]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

part of the game of maximizing profit, home depot employs a strategy of paying its workers more, thinking they will get better employees. walmart feels differently. I know that when I am in walmart, I will recieve crappy service from employees, because they are paid shit wages

There you go,,,, and Walmart doesnt give a damn.

[Kytro]

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

The attitude that only losers work at Walmart so, they are getting what they deserve, doesnt give Walmart a free pass to hurt the very society that gave it its great wealth.

Not losers (well not all of them, losers can exist in every job), but usually people looking for an easy job for a temporary period.

For wallmart to be able offer little benefit and low wages they need to have people willing to accept those conditions.

If people are prepared to accept those conditions, continue to shop at wallmart, and don't use the law to force change then wallmart will continue to offer said conditions.

[thomez]

I read this thread and now I'm too discouraged and disgruntled to give a serious reply now.

[IminWonderland]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

a cashier job at walmart is not a career, those people should be working all day and then going to night school, assuming they are not stupid or incapable.
I have no problem with a large gap between winners and losers, it makes all the work required to win worthwhile

It's not a career to you. But maybe one day you'll know, when whatever industry you are in is shipped off to Thailand, and you'll be in your 50s, and realize how no one wants to hire you, and you won't have a choice but to cashier somewhere. You can cover your bases only so much.

That's fine if you don't have a problem with that gap, but the gap has consequences.

[IminWonderland]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

I am sure Walmart pays alot in corporate taxes. Walmart has made life for the lower and middle class of America much better

If that is so, that life is better for people because of Walmart....

Then why are some cities fighting have Walmart in their towns?

You know, the gap between being middle class, and bring wealthy is really really wide. A solid economy has all people in between, and corporations like Walmart take the inbetween away.

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

There you go,,,, and Walmart doesnt give a damn.

and that is what makes them such a great place to shop, I don't have 11ty billion questions to ask. I don't want great customer service, I want (the majority of Americans) want to buy cheap shit

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

It's not a career to you. But maybe one day you'll know, when whatever industry you are in is shipped off to Thailand, and you'll be in your 50s, and realize how no one wants to hire you, and you won't have a choice but to cashier somewhere. You can cover your bases only so much.

you should always have a backup plan and a second front. at least that is my way of thinking, you might get laid off and live on unemployment benefits for a short period but eventually you are going to have to dust yourself off and get back in the game

That's fine if you don't have a problem with that gap, but the gap has consequences.

consequences that I think are better for the country

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

If that is so, that life is better for people because of Walmart....

Then why are some cities fighting have Walmart in their towns?

for two main reasons,
1. lack of economic knowledge
2. they are against urban sprawl (which is a decent argument)

You know, the gap between being middle class, and bring wealthy is really really wide. A solid economy has all people in between, and corporations like Walmart take the inbetween away.

you make it seem like we had socialism and suddenly it has been ripped away.

[KatKanPlay]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

and that is what makes them such a great place to shop, I don't have 11ty billion questions to ask. I don't want great customer service, I want (the majority of Americans) want to buy cheap shit

I love buying cheap shit too, not because I like cheap shit, but because it is what I can afford. And with the kind of money Walmart is making from all of we "cheap shit lovers", they can easily afford to give back to society by offering decent enough compensation for its employees. Again, there is room within the profit margin, they wouldnt have to change a thing. They can still offer crappy service, and no need to open that 11ty billion question desk, we "cheap shit lovers" will still go there and buy our cheap shit. Again it is all about the disproportionate distribution of wealth, gained by we cheap shit lovers, and taking the low road that the free enterprise system allows them to take rather than the high road that gives back to the very system that allowed it to gain its wealth in the first place.

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

I love buying cheap shit too, not because I like cheap shit, but because it is what I can afford. And with the kind of money Walmart is making from all of we "cheap shit lovers", they can easily afford to give back to society by offering decent enough compensation for its employees. Again, there is room within the profit margin, they wouldnt have to change a thing. They can still offer crappy service, and no need to open that 11ty billion question desk, we "cheap shit lovers" will still go there and buy our cheap shit. Again it is all about the disproportionate distribution of wealth, gained by we cheap shit lovers, and taking the low road that the free enterprise system allows them to take rather than the high road that gives back to the very system that allowed it to gain its wealth in the first place.

if they start paying employees 10-15 dollars an hour + healthcare prices will stop falling and they will start rising, no thanks.

There were other retailers before walmart, there are still other options but we as Americans have decided this is what we want. I believe we should be able to get what we want.

Why doesn't McDonalds give similar benefits to its employees?