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motivez · 10-04-2006, 11:44 PM

Your avatar isn't a fair characterization of what he said, since he's talking specifically about mercenaries who are over there for the money, rather than American soldiers.. if you're wanting to go by that comment.

JaJae · 10-05-2006, 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by motivez

Your avatar isn't a fair characterization of what he said, since he's talking specifically about mercenaries who are over there for the money, rather than American soldiers.. if you're wanting to go by that comment.

It's about as far as some of his blogs to be honest.

But no, it's not fair. That's the point

It's pretty disgusting either way, but I can't really get a fair characterization to fit on the little 150x150 image. It's small enough as it is.

motivez · 10-05-2006, 12:34 AM

I don't think it's really disgusting, I have no sympathy for people who's sole mission in life is to profit from the pain and suffering caused by war either..

Their nationality isnt as important to me as their actions.

JaJae · 10-05-2006, 12:37 AM

Originally Posted by motivez

I don't think it's really disgusting, I have no sympathy for people who's sole mission in life is to profit from the pain and suffering caused by war either..

Their nationality isnt as important to me as their actions.

The only thing that makes them different than the special forces units in Iraq is who's name is on their paycheck. They're ex-military, gone civilian who wanted to help out in the war effort without re-enlisting.

I thought Dems wanted more special forces in Iraq? This is the only way to do it quickly. They have experience and were willing to fight for our country. The fact that people don't care about their torture, yet care about insurgents disgusts me.

These men were willing to go into Fallujah when it was still hot so young marines wouldn't have to. And they paid the ultimate price. And somehow, liberals don't care. Why? Because their checks were larger than the enlisted soldiers? Give me a break.

ballz2wallz · 10-05-2006, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by motivez

for people who's sole mission in life is to profit from the pain and suffering caused by war either..

Their sole mission in life is to profit from pain and suffering caused by war?!!

avsp · 10-05-2006, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by JaJae

These men were willing to go into Fallujah when it was still hot so young marines wouldn't have to. And they paid the ultimate price. And somehow, liberals don't care. Why? Because their checks were larger than the enlisted soldiers? Give me a break.

Would it be inaccurate then to describe them as mercenaries, (even if one appluaded their actions based on ones perceptions of their motives)?

BTW if I understand you correctly your statement suggests that the USNC were in some way not up to their task & in which case THAT would the most troubling thing about the situation (given that people die in wars).

But maybe I dont fully understand your point or the reality of the events

JaJae · 10-05-2006, 09:49 AM

What I'm saying is we don't have enough special forces in Iraq. These guys volunteered to go to Iraq. The marines then seized Fallujah with overwhelming force. These guys went in with just 4. And they were all decimated, dismembered, burned and hung from bridges...

But screw them right? They're American mercenaries. Not worthy of our sympathy.

lew · 10-05-2006, 09:50 AM

I wish we had much, much more mercenaries. Fuck state armies. Private armies are much, much better.

Anarcho-capitalism ftw.

ballz2wallz · 10-05-2006, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by lew

I wish we had much, much more mercenaries. Fuck state armies. Private armies are much, much better.

Anarcho-capitalism ftw.

Like the Minutement on the border!

Although, they didn't seem to do too well stopping these guys from crossing the 'border' on the stage...

Hot Air » Blog Archive » Video: Columbia amnesty fascists rush stage at Minuteman speech

avsp · 10-05-2006, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by JaJae

What I'm saying is we don't have enough special forces in Iraq. These guys volunteered to go to Iraq. The marines then seized Fallujah with overwhelming force. These guys went in with just 4. And they were all decimated, dismembered, burned and hung from bridges...

But screw them right? They're American mercenaries. Not worthy of our sympathy.

In that case, (leaving aside the question of their ememies behaviour), the issue is not one to do with others views on mercenaries but one of seemingly inadequate force protection?

Is it too late now to send more troops (be they special forces, regulars or mercenaries) to Iraq? I
s it to be regreated that domestic electorial concerns play a role in any such decision?
Is there any point in searching for an entity to blame for any supposed lack of forces in Iraq?

Yours, mine, Kos' or whoever's views on the morality of mercenaries is only relevent in discussing the morality of using/being mercenaries, ..., & of course tangentally to 'bash' the other side, ..., which usually only is the case if one is preaching to the converted or wishing to display ones bias. All totally legitimate things to discuss of course.

The issue of Kos' integrity remains unclear to me, ..., but then its not that important to me either.

Just to display my bias I'd like to bemoan the fact that the suffering of the Iraqi people is rarely discussed here in such a specific manner. But then I dont make threads about it so I'm in no position to complain.

Sorry to get offtopic of hsmiths avatar, ..., which is of course slightly tasteless, ..., but then I suppose that is the point of it. Perhaps I'm wrong.

motivez · 10-05-2006, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

The only thing that makes them different than the special forces units in Iraq is who's name is on their paycheck. They're ex-military, gone civilian who wanted to help out in the war effort without re-enlisting.

You forget the amount of the paycheck. That's why they aren't relisting, and I would say that it's more about the money than trying to "help anyone out"

Originally Posted by Jajae

I thought Dems wanted more special forces in Iraq? This is the only way to do it quickly. They have experience and were willing to fight for our country. The fact that people don't care about their torture, yet care about insurgents disgusts me.

I don't want to see anyone tortured, which is why I'm against the Republican crafted law to legalize torture. I denounce all torture. Also, your characterization should say "suspected insurgents" as long as you're relating it to torture with the way things work now.

But I guess as long as there's some selective outrage over those crazy "liberals" and "dems", I guess the job is done, eh?

Originally Posted by JaJae

These men were willing to go into Fallujah when it was still hot so young marines wouldn't have to. And they paid the ultimate price. And somehow, liberals don't care. Why? Because their checks were larger than the enlisted soldiers? Give me a break.

They new the risk, and they chose to be there. Unlike a soldier, who has no choice but to follow orders or be thrown in jail. I have no sympathy for someone who goes someplace willingly to profit from the misery of war.

Being a member of the US military is a way to serve your country (right or wrong), rather than serve your bank account.

Diesel66 · 10-05-2006, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

They new the risk, and they chose to be there. Unlike a soldier, who has no choice but to follow orders or be thrown in jail. I have no sympathy for someone who goes someplace willingly to profit from the misery of war.

So all the soldiers that chose to go into Iraq or chose to re-up dont deserve any respect either ?

Still waiting for an explanation on how providing security to food supplies or diplomats(government, military and civilian organizations) is wrong.

ballz2wallz · 10-05-2006, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by Diesel66

Still waiting for an explanation on how providing security to food supplies or diplomats(government, military and civilian organizations) is wrong.

I want to know how giving your services to rebuilding a war-torn country (especially Iraq; don't we all want to make it a nicer place so we can leave?), even if it is for pay (how would anybody be able to go otherwise?) is looked down upon. Can you explain how these people are any different than the military men and women that are fighting over there? They are all taking part in providing and rebuilding Iraq at the moment, all for pay, and all want to come home as soon as possible. The fact that some are denounced like this as 'mercenaries' is reprehensible, and should be labeled such by all here.

Unless of course you hate America.