The Westboro Baptist Church is going to protest at the Amish school girls funerals - Page 2

hsmith · 10-04-2006, 10:32 AM

i feel like driving up to amish country to counter protest

lew · 10-04-2006, 11:56 AM

Here's an

video of the Phelps people.

Fred Phelps and God Hates Fags

7960 · 10-04-2006, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by lew

All anarchism means is without rulers - government. It doesn't mean that you hate the government. Amish are very much anarchistic.

I was using the common definition of anarchy which is the desire to overthrow the govt. The amish have no desire to overthrow any govt.

WickedLou9 · 10-04-2006, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by 7960

I was using the common definition of anarchy which is the desire to overthrow the govt. The amish have no desire to overthrow any govt.

And they definately have rulers. They view god as the supreme ruler. They live by extremly strict laws that they set for themselves. If you violate those laws you can be kicked out of thier community.

ballz2wallz · 10-04-2006, 04:51 PM

This:

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

And they definately have rulers.

and this:

They live by extremly strict laws that they set for themselves.

are contradictory of one another.

7960 · 10-04-2006, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

This:

and this:

are contradictory of one another.

the way it's written it seems contradictory but it's not... the amish live by their own laws and rules, set by amish. I think what he meant to say was they live by laws the amish defined for themselves, not each individual amish person.

lew · 10-04-2006, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by 7960

the way it's written it seems contradictory but it's not... the amish live by their own laws and rules, set by amish. I think what he meant to say was they live by laws the amish defined for themselves, not each individual amish person.

That is anarchism. Anarchism is not without order. It just with voluntary orders and rulers.

7960 · 10-04-2006, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by lew

That is anarchism. Anarchism is not without order. It just with voluntary orders and rulers.

not according to this (and others, wiki just says it better):

Anarchism is the name of a political philosophy or a group of doctrines and attitudes that are centered on rejection of government, or the state, as harmful and unnecessary and support its elimination.[1]The term "anarchism" is derived from the Greek αναρχία ("without archons" or "without rulers"). Thus "anarchism," in its most general meaning, is the belief that all forms of rulership are undesirable and should be abolished.

lew · 10-04-2006, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by 7960

not according to this (and others, wiki just says it better):

Anarchism is the name of a political philosophy or a group of doctrines and attitudes that are centered on rejection of government, or the state, as harmful and unnecessary and support its elimination.[1]The term "anarchism" is derived from the Greek αναρχία ("without archons" or "without rulers"). Thus "anarchism," in its most general meaning, is the belief that all forms of rulership are undesirable and should be abolished.

One form of anarchism, anarcho-capitalism, believes in the contractual society to it's fullest extent. This means that in reality, any government can form within a community, so long as every person agrees into a contract with a governing authority. Anarchy in it's fullest extent means I know what's best for me and I have the right to engage into that. So that if I choose to live in a dictatorship, democracy, republic, or any other government, as long as I enter into that society contractually and can leave that society at my choosing, I am still considered anarchist.

KatKanPlay · 10-04-2006, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by lew

I'm thinking of becoming Amish.

MIght want to rethink that,,,,, no internet.

KatKanPlay · 10-04-2006, 08:56 PM

The Amish live in a very peaceful theocracy, that dictates according to their religious beliefs that they have nothing to do with the outside world and its modern conveniences. It works for them because everyone believes the exact same thing. They are not taught that they must impose their beliefs on the rest of society and most likely believe they are the chosen people.

It is just a theory based on living very close to and interacting from time to time with an Amish community.

Diamond Cross · 10-04-2006, 10:46 PM

They're just plain and simple guys living in an Amish Paradise.
No phone no lights no motor cars not a single luxury.
Like Robinson Curusoe, as primitive as csan be.

KatKanPlay · 10-04-2006, 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by Diamond Cross

They're just plain and simple guys living in an Amish Paradise.
No phone no lights no motor cars not a single luxury.
Like Robinson Curusoe, as primitive as csan be.

Yes but it is motivated by religion. There magic is they do not inflict there beliefs or their lifestyle on any other members of society.

SICKGUY · 10-04-2006, 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

They use batteries in the lights on their buggys!!!

These people don't need an actual reason to protest these things, just a lot of media attention.

my ex went and stayed with amish people when she was a kid. i guess alot of them have tv's, but its strictly for adults, and they are tucked away, not out in the open like most would have them.

also, i saw on a show that amish kids get to go out into the real world @ 16 and sew their wild oats i guess. they basically get to see whats out there and decide for themselves if the amish life is for them, and i was really suprised when i heard something like 80% return to amish life.

Scrum · 10-05-2006, 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by SICKGUY

also, i saw on a show that amish kids get to go out into the real world @ 16 and sew their wild oats i guess. they basically get to see whats out there and decide for themselves if the amish life is for them, and i was really suprised when i heard something like 80% return to amish life.

Funny enough, I saw a large group of Amish kids in downtown Chicago last year at the Adler PLanetarium and the Shedd Aquarium. They were riding elevators and getting on and off of busses. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. I did a little research when I got home and asked around. It looks like that's what these kids were doing. They were off on their little trip into the real world.

ballz2wallz · 10-05-2006, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

Yes but it is motivated by religion. There magic is they do not inflict there beliefs or their lifestyle on any other members of society.

You totally weren't around during the days of Coolio and Weird Al

7960 · 10-05-2006, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

Funny enough, I saw a large group of Amish kids in downtown Chicago last year at the Adler PLanetarium and the Shedd Aquarium. They were riding elevators and getting on and off of busses. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. I did a little research when I got home and asked around. It looks like that's what these kids were doing. They were off on their little trip into the real world.

it's called rumspringa

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumspringa

ballz2wallz · 10-05-2006, 08:29 PM

O'Reilly had a small segment on them tonight. Mike Gallagher was kind of enough to strike a deal with these people; he'd give them an hr on his show in exchange for going to the funerals of these girls. Basically they are just attention whores.

They had signs ready that read "your daughters are all whores" and "your daughters are burning in hell right now".

Scrum · 10-06-2006, 12:01 AM

So they were at the funeral?

I'm glad that the media coverage I saw didn't give them any airtime.

ballz2wallz · 10-06-2006, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

So they were at the funeral?

I'm glad that the media coverage I saw didn't give them any airtime.

No, they weren't there; in exchange for not going, Mike Gallagher gave them 1 hr airtime on his radio show, which he put on at the time of the funeral.