Dick Morris made a good point last night on Hannity and Colmes. He disagreed with both hosts who were playing party defence. Congressional numbers are at an all time low across the board, he said. The only reason the Republicans will take the bigger hit and probably lose the House ...
10-04-2006, 06:46 PM
| #1 | ||||
| Political Genius  Republican Yorba Linda Ca. 
| Any good news with a House loss for Republicans? Dick Morris made a good point last night on Hannity and Colmes. He disagreed with both hosts who were playing party defence. Congressional numbers are at an all time low across the board, he said. The only reason the Republicans will take the bigger hit and probably lose the House is because they have the majority and most of the incumbent seats up for re-election. Unless the tide turns in the next few weeks the Republicans could easily lose the House. But if they hold the Senate would that be so bad for the party in the long term leading up to 2008? First off consider a victory that has it primary focus on the Foley scandal does not shine many good lights on the Democrats and their lack of a popular agenda going into this election. The poll numbers just one weak ago began to look grim. If they take the House "blame the Republicans" is no longer in constant play. Second it could move a now complacent Republican majority back to the party Fiscal conservatives to combine with the already popular "tough on National Security" image. Get off your high chairs and back to the basics that won you the place in 1994! Third, a Democrat House and possibly the Senate that tries to over focus on getting at Bush could backfire as much as the Republican over-reach with the Clinton scandals. Think of the Plame non-Watergate but with a grander Congressional focus. It will also drive home the message that even when in power they are better at being on the political attack than on making government work properly. Fourth, A Democrat controlled House might get Bush to work a veto pen? Fifth, and most important. Bush can choose to take the high road on his National Security path over the next two years without the usual election pressure for 2008. Cheney wont run, and I doubt anybody in the Administration will at this point. So the Republican will be a yet unnanmed outsider while Hillary awaits her coronation. His lame duck statis can be used to further victory in the terror war as long as he dose not fall into the trap of continued party politics over every issue involved which has been the Democrat Party strategy thus far. Let Pelosi try to kill "The Patriot Act" and the NSA prgram and see where it gets them in 2008? Foley aside, Dean and company will see even the slightest victory as new energy for the far left of the party. And we all know how well that keeps them out of office! | ||||
     |
|
10-04-2006, 07:00 PM
| #2 | ||||
| Unite for Dems or Liberty Dies  Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Originally Posted by RMNIXON 1) A win is a win, you think the 94 election was about corrupt Democrats or the Contract with America basically no one heard of...
2) Too bad they still have fault lines, they won in 94 with a promise to work as a team and get everything accomplished...that didn't happen in 12 years of power and 5 years of total power...i really don't see how it will unify them at all soley based on the fact that they are the minority party 3) speculation 4) and? 5) Let's see the Democratic House and Senate pass popular laws and see Bush veto them...I am sure they will get the blame  | ||||
| |
|
10-04-2006, 07:20 PM
| #3 | ||||
| Political Genius Republican Yorba Linda Ca.
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim
Nobody heard about the Contract? You Dems went on about it every five minutes! Were the Dems anymore corrupt in 94? Or was in a major Clinton turn to the left that you went along with? They did quite well for along time, but retreated into National Security after 9/11 and need to get back into a better domestic message. It is all speculation. Even a House loss!  This is a discussion board isn't it? So discuss: And what popular laws? Where is this missing party agenda?  | ||||
| |
|
10-04-2006, 07:43 PM
| #4 | ||||
| Unite for Dems or Liberty Dies Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Originally Posted by RMNIXON raise in the minimum wage
stem cell research lower student loans rates healthcare relief censure rumsfeld oversight hearings on iraq | ||||
| |
|
10-04-2006, 07:49 PM
| #5 | ||||
| Banned  Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim Is that your agenda or the Democratic party agenda? I've not seen them say this. Is this on their website?
| ||||
| |
|
10-04-2006, 08:24 PM
| #6 | ||||
| Unite for Dems or Liberty Dies Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| 1,2 and 6 is brought up constantly by every Dem i see on TV when asked about a national agenda 6 is kinda gently though because they don't want to imply impeachment 5 was almost added to a bill but was not found to be germane 3 is a talking point i hear a lot but there isn't a solid budget plan yet and they don't bring it up to often because then that begs the question "what about taxes?" 4 is a constant point, just not a specific plan that everyone agrees on... again the contract with america did not come complete with bills ready to be passed, it was general ideas and some specific points Dems don't want a national plan because it would have to include taxes and Iraq and the GOP would hammer away at them as being softies who want to raise money on everyone its a smart move, so was Deans 50 state strategy, Dems get no credit but they'd done a lot of great things these past 2 years setting up 06...if it wasn't for the terror card they'd have been up a ton before foley, and more than they currently are | ||||
| |
|
10-04-2006, 08:37 PM
| #7 | ||||
| Banned Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim Unfortunately a national plan is what the nation wants.
| ||||
| |
|
10-04-2006, 08:41 PM
| #8 | ||||
| Unite for Dems or Liberty Dies Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz The only crisis is Iraq/Afghanistan, and we want oversight...everything else, they can wait a month
| ||||
| |
|
10-04-2006, 08:57 PM
| #9 | ||||
| Administrator  libertarian Oklahoma
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim Min wage increases are nothing more than a feel good fuzzy used to gain votes.
I'm ok with stem cell research as long as it doesn't kill babies. Lower student loan rates?  people with loans are given opportunities to lock in their rates, if they dont take advantage how is that the fault of the government?  Healthcare relief? How do you propose this other than socialized medicine? Censure rumsfeld? He doesn't have a right to free speech? Oversight on hearings in Iraq? Last time I checked the senate and house along with the committees were composed of both parties. Not to mention the democrats voted for Iraq to begin with. | ||||
| |
|
10-04-2006, 09:02 PM
| #10 | ||||
| Better Dead than Red  Democrat "My friends, we’ve got them just where we want them.”
| Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95
minus well?  censure is not the same as censor | ||||
| |
|
10-05-2006, 01:01 AM
| #11 | ||||
| Unite for Dems or Liberty Dies Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 You agree to the first too...right now people can "lock in" their rates at 5%+, my brother's rate is 2%, that fucking stupid that he is buying a house, etc and other people are struggling to pay interest
How do I propose other than "socialized" medicine, well if you listen to hsmith sometime we already regulate ourselves so much it might as well be communist...seriously though, its a general goal like "cutting taxes" no one knew in the 2000 campaign how heavy Bush would favor the top 1% (in exact numbers)...we'll get there and try to work out a deal with republicans, if we can't we'll hold off until a president is elected that will censure would send a message that "hey buddy you fucked up in Iraq" read Cobra II, Fiasco, State of Denial...the guy is outta control Democrats can't call hearings on why 1/4 of Iraq (around) Anbar province is "lost" , or why the "sweep" of Baghdad still has about 100 people dying a day in Baghdad | ||||
| |
|
10-05-2006, 05:03 AM
| #12 | ||||
| America Fuck Yea Election Moderator  Republican In Name Only
| I wish the democrats would come out with a platform. | ||||
| |
|
10-05-2006, 09:09 AM
| #13 | ||||
| Banned Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by kinggovernor So do the Democrats.
| ||||
| |
|
10-05-2006, 09:22 AM
| #14 | ||||
| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator  Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by kinggovernor I have head plenty of Democrats talk about their platform.
 | ||||
| |
|
10-05-2006, 10:08 AM
| #15 | ||||
| America Fuck Yea Election Moderator Republican In Name Only
| Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent link?, I remeber thorigm couldn't find a plan that was after the 2004 election
| ||||
| |
|
10-05-2006, 10:10 AM
| #16 | ||||
| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by kinggovernor I'm not going to try and dig through youtube for interviews I have seen.
| ||||
| |
|
10-05-2006, 10:12 AM
| #17 | ||||
| America Fuck Yea Election Moderator Republican In Name Only
| Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent there is no comprehensive plan on a website?
| ||||
| |
|
10-05-2006, 10:24 AM
| #18 | ||||
| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by kinggovernor Not that I know of.
Not all Demorcatic candidates have the same plan for everything. | ||||
| |
|
10-05-2006, 01:29 PM
| #19 | ||||
| Unite for Dems or Liberty Dies Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent w3rd
we're a big tent party...what Feingold believes isn't what Nelson (Nebraska) believes, just look at the difference in their speeches, actions and voting records | ||||
