French Police: Muslims are waging civil war against us

[motivez]

Muslims are waging civil war against us, claims police union

By David Rennie, Europe Correspondent
(Filed: 05/10/2006)


Radical Muslims in France's housing estates are waging an undeclared "intifada" against the police, with violent clashes injuring an average of 14 officers each day.
Interior minister Nicolas Sarkozy was warned of an 'intifada'

As the interior ministry said that nearly 2,500 officers had been wounded this year, a police union declared that its members were "in a state of civil war" with Muslims in the most depressed "banlieue" estates which are heavily populated by unemployed youths of north African origin.
It said the situation was so grave that it had asked the government to provide police with armoured cars to protect officers in the estates, which are becoming no-go zones.

The number of attacks has risen by a third in two years. Police representatives told the newspaper Le Figaro that the "taboo" of attacking officers on patrol has been broken.
Instead, officers – especially those patrolling in pairs or small groups – faced attacks as soon as they tried to arrest locals.

Senior officers insisted that the problem was essentially criminal in nature, with crime bosses on the estates fighting back against tough tactics.

The interior minister, Nicolas Sarkozy, who is also the leading centre-Right candidate for the presidency, has sent heavily equipped units into areas with orders to regain control from drug smuggling gangs and other organised crime rings. Such aggressive raids were "disrupting the underground economy in the estates", one senior official told Le Figaro.
However, not all officers on the ground accept that essentially secular interpretation. Michel Thoomis, the secretary general of the hardline Action Police trade union, has written to Mr Sarkozy warning of an "intifada" on the estates and demanding that officers be given armoured cars in the most dangerous areas.

He said yesterday: "We are in a state of civil war, orchestrated by radical Islamists. This is not a question of urban violence any more, it is an intifada, with stones and Molotov cocktails. You no longer see two or three youths confronting police, you see whole tower blocks emptying into the streets to set their 'comrades' free when they are arrested."

He added: "We need armoured vehicles and water cannon. They are the only things that can disperse crowds of hundreds of people who are trying to kill police and burn their vehicles."

However, Gerard Demarcq, of the largest police unions, Alliance, dismissed talk of an "intifada" as representing the views of only a minority.
Mr Demarcq said that the increased attacks on officers were proof that the policy of "retaking territory" from criminal gangs was working.
Mayors in the worst affected suburbs, which saw weeks of riots and car-burning a year ago, have expressed fears of a vicious circle, as attacks by locals lead the police to harden their tactics, further increasing resentment.

As if to prove that point, there were angry reactions in the western Paris suburb of Les Mureaux following dawn raids in search of youths who attacked a police unit on Sunday. The raids led to one arrest. They followed clashes on Sunday night when scores of youths attacked seven officers who had tried to arrest a man for not wearing his seat belt while driving. That driver refused to stop, and later rammed a police car trying to block his path.

The mayor of Les Mureaux, Francois Garay, criticised aggressive police tactics that afterwards left "the people on the ground to pick up the pieces".

So, have the riots really just not stopped since they were big news?

It seems like the police should be able to (within reason and in accordance with their laws, obviously) do what they have to in order to get things under control there if there's really so much danger.

I think maybe it does point out the dangers of a large scale immigration without a concerted effort to integrate that immigrant population into the cultural society of your nation.

That said, I don't know that it really mirrors what's going on in the country even though by a lot of accounts, the hispanic immigrant population isn't fully integrating like some would like them to.

[JaJae]

France does a lot to oppress them. They brought this on themselves. Normally I'd be the first to jump on a story like this. But France has gone out of their way to make being a traditional Muslim in France more and more difficult. Also their laws regarding immigrants suck. People are legally in the country and treated like second class citizens.

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by JaJae

France does a lot to oppress them. They brought this on themselves. Normally I'd be the first to jump on a story like this. But France has gone out of their way to make being a traditional Muslim in France more and more difficult. Also their laws regarding immigrants suck. People are legally in the country and treated like second class citizens.

Hey, there FRENCH!

[kinggovernor]

fundamentalist muslims are creating problems all over the globe

[Kytro]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

fundamentalist muslims are creating problems all over the globe

Absolutely, the question is how to deal with the problem without looking as bad as them.

[thomez]

a lot of the problems there are the result of their massive welfare state, putting people in slums and letting them suck the government tit for years and years without ever contributing to the society in which they live

then the people never assimilate and are left in poverty - this is the result

[archangel003]

Originally Posted by Kytro

Absolutely, the question is how to deal with the problem without looking as bad as them.

There really isn't one. The more freedom and leeway you give them, the more they take from you. Look at Israel. Any concession you give them isn't enough.

[Donkey®]

I am calling :bs: on this whole "war" thing. If it truly was a war, the French would have been overrun by now.

Originally Posted by ziony the great

"There really isn't one. The more freedom and leeway you give them, the more they take from you. Look at Israel. Any concession you give them isn't enough."

"Them." "They." The quicker that you admit you hate Muslims because they are Muslims, the quicker you can begin to heal. My question to you is, how are these situations even remotely related to each other?

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

I am calling :bs: on this whole "war" thing. If it truly was a war, the French would have been overrun by now.

All the more reason for the Muslims to be pissed off. The French are putting up a bigger fight against them than they did the Germans. You see where their priorities are...

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

"Them." "They." The quicker that you admit you hate Muslims because they are Muslims, the quicker you can begin to heal. My question to you is, how are these situations even remotely related to each other?

Appeasement.

For the record, when speaking of a specified group of people (in this case, this group of people was specified in the OP) you often use pronouns such as 'them' and 'they'.

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Appeasement.

For the record, when speaking of a specified group of people (in this case, this group of people was specified in the OP) you often use pronouns such as 'them' and 'they'.

When they are IN FACT the same group of people. The Muslims in France != the Muslims in Palestine.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

When they are IN FACT the same group of people. The Muslims in France != the Muslims in Palestine.

But they're all crazy Muslims either way you look at it







(notice I didn't say 'all muslims are crazy'; just wanted to add that in before you tried to debate me on it)

[archangel003]

They're related because they're both cases demonstrating how appeasement is never a good solution, especially to radical Islam. Muslims don't play by the same rules as the western world does.

[KatKanPlay]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

But they're all crazy Muslims either way you look at it







(notice I didn't say 'all muslims are crazy'; just wanted to add that in before you tried to debate me on it)

If muslims worldwide do not begin to get involved in this thing and take a strong stand against their radical brethren, people are going to begin to have a very hard time not clumping all muslims into one category.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

If muslims worldwide do not begin to get involved in this thing and take a strong stand against their radical brethren, people are going to begin to have a very hard time not clumping all muslims into one category.

We've been saying this for years now. Has that made them change? Not one bit. Their silence only show their support, as far as I'm concerned.

[6SpeedTA95]

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

If muslims worldwide do not begin to get involved in this thing and take a strong stand against their radical brethren, people are going to begin to have a very hard time not clumping all muslims into one category.

Peopel are already doing that. I see it everytime I have a religious discussion. I'm beginning to lose hope that muslim leaders dont like this behavior. I mean I'd like to think they dont I've know and currently know several muslims so I do not buy into the stereotypes, but the leadership is seriously lacking when it comes to standing up for whats right.

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

Peopel are already doing that. I see it everytime I have a religious discussion. I'm beginning to lose hope that muslim leaders dont like this behavior. I mean I'd like to think they dont I've know and currently know several muslims so I do not buy into the stereotypes, but the leadership is seriously lacking when it comes to standing up for whats right.

What do you expect them to do? A lot of terrorists have families that didn't know what they were doing until it was too late. If THEY can't do anything about it how are other people supposed to do something about it? Everytime there is an attack, I see plenty of muslims condemning it. There are certain countries that hate us and there are plenty of people that celebrate when we're attacked. That's a fact of life.