Should Voting machines/slips be bilingual?

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Originally Posted by DosEquis

If memory serves me correctly... if you are not born in mexico you can't vote for president in their country. Even if you become a citizen.

Not to mention you need to earn 40,000 times the average daily wage in mexico city to become a citizen, and you are not eligable to own beach front property.

We let plenty of people come here and become citizen to vote that come from oppressive places. Some don't even allow people to vote at all. Should that make a differance once they come here?

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

And it's perfectly within their rights not to know english.
Do you know spanish? Because pretty soon(if not already) spanish speakers will be a majority in this country.

Yeah, this is America, not Mexico. It shouldn't be like that. Does that not bother you?

[DosEquis]

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

We let plenty of people come here and become citizen to vote that come from oppressive places. Some don't even allow people to vote at all. Should that make a differance once they come here?

I think our situation is different with mexico. Most of the people there are not really being oppressed, they are just broke and have no jobs, along with their government being to corrupt to fix anything. Their government essentially just uses their people for additional income instead of fixing their country so that it is more self sustaining. An example is they give out manuals for crossing the border and getting away with it and such.

So for mexico i would like to at least turn off the faucet, if anything make it a slow drip, instead of pouring our resources in to support its citizens.

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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Yeah, this is America, not Mexico. It shouldn't be like that. Does that not bother you?

Not really and it's because this is America.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

Not really and it's because this is America.

America is its own country for a reason; that's not because it's another country, it's its own country. When it's not its own country any longer, it's not America. You should realize this. If you appreciate what America is, you should try to preserve it for what it is, not allow it to dissipate.

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Originally Posted by DosEquis

I think our situation is different with mexico. Most of the people there are not really being oppressed, they are just broke and have no jobs, along with their government being to corrupt to fix anything. Their government essentially just uses their people for additional income instead of fixing their country so that it is more self sustaining. An example is they give out manuals for crossing the border and getting away with it and such.

So for mexico i would like to at least turn off the faucet, if anything make it a slow drip, instead of pouring our resources in to support its citizens.

Ok, but I view that as a Separate issue from talking about legal citizens who can vote.

[liberalsuck]

We should adopt the same laws Mexico uses. Their own internal corruption is to blame for all their problems.. not America. Why Bush plays this game is beyond me. Normally I would attribute this to caving in to liberal pressure and the politically-correct climate we've adopted, but the fact that Bush is doing this plus his NAFTA give-a-ways, and his dad's NWO talk..
Nixon, Carter, and Bush #41 were all proponents of the New World Order - which is a HUGE red flag in my book. And besides what the Bible warns about, why would we want to do this? We get screwed.. and the rest of the world wins. Whatever happened to representing Americans and the constitution?

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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

America is its own country for a reason; that's not because it's another country, it's its own country. When it's not its own country any longer, it's not America. You should realize this.

America is a country made up of people from other countries who come here to make a better life for themselves.

It's still America.

[motivez]

What about bilingual voting forms is against the constitution though? And if they're citizens who are legally allowed to vote, why should it matter what language they're speaking?

Are you not an American until you can speak English?

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by liberalsuck

We should adopt the same laws Mexico uses. Their own internal corruption is to blame for all their problems.. not America. Why Bush plays this game is beyond me. Normally I would attribute this to caving in to liberal pressure and the politically-correct climate we've adopted, but the fact that Bush is doing this plus his NAFTA give-a-ways, and his dad's NWO talk..
Nixon, Carter, and Bush #41 were all proponents of the New World Order - which is a HUGE red flag in my book. And besides what the Bible warns about, why would we want to do this? We get screwed.. and the rest of the world wins. Whatever happened to representing Americans and the constitution?

I don't think we should necessarily look to any other country as an example of how to run ours; certainly not mexico. We're the great country we are because we're so different. Nonetheless, we shouldn't let that get out of hand and risk losing the greatness we are. Mexico is pathetic, and we should in no way adopt anything they have. That said, that doesn't mean we should just open up our borders and adopt an 'anything goes' stance either.

[DosEquis]

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

Ok, but I view that as a Separate issue from talking about legal citizens who can vote.

aahh.. well in that case i refer back to my first thing..

since we have no official language...if they want a special ballet they should be able to get one.

If our official language was english, then no, it should be in all english. That being said I think our official language should be english and that all ballets should be in english

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

America is a country made up of people from other countries who come here to make a better life for themselves.

It's still America.

America is a country made up of people from other countries who come here to make a better life for themselves by adopting to the American way of life. It's still America as long as that happens. But when people start to come here and live like they from whence they came, it stops being America.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by motivez

What about bilingual voting forms is against the constitution though? And if they're citizens who are legally allowed to vote, why should it matter what language they're speaking?

Are you not an American until you can speak English?

You're not American if you refuse what it has to offer. Why come here if you don't want to adhere to its culture? And we all know it's near impossible to assimilate if you can't communicate.

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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

America is a country made up of people from other countries who come here to make a better life for themselves by adopting to the American way of life. It's still America as long as that happens. But when people start to come here and live like they from whence they came, it stops being America.

They aren't living like they are from whence they came (nice use of whence btw ). They are living here as Americans. Just because they don't speak English doesn't make them less American.

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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

You're not American if you refuse what it has to offer. Why come here if you don't want to adhere to its culture? And we all know it's near impossible to assimilate if you can't communicate.

OK then your post begs the question....


What makes you an American?

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

They aren't living like they are from whence they came (nice use of whence btw ). They are living here as Americans. Just because they don't speak English doesn't make them less American.

Them refusing to learn English is only a symptom of their refusal to assimilate. I don't know why people don't take France's open border/lax immigration policy as an example of what to expect if we let things like that happen. They are at 'civil war' with their Muslim immigrants at the moment. Why? Because they decided to let them 'be what they want to be; they're still French'. Now they realize that no, they are refusing to be French, they want to be their own country inside of France.

[motivez]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

You're not American if you refuse what it has to offer. Why come here if you don't want to adhere to its culture? And we all know it's near impossible to assimilate if you can't communicate.

And again:

Originally Posted by motivez

How many of the first generation Italian, etc, that come over here really integrated fully into the culture?

Didn't it take a generation or two before those groups of people really integrated enough to be looked at as an immigration success story?

I also disagree that you have to "partake of everything" that America offers to be an American. I choose not to take part in what I percieve as the intolerant religious aspect of our nation.. does that make me not an American because it's such a large part of what this nation is? I don't think so.

I don't think language is any different. First generation immigrants rarely fully assimilate into a society. It's the generations that they spawn which do.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

OK then your post begs the question....


What makes you an American?

Aside from being born here or legally beocming a citizen, the fact that you embrace the ideals that the US was founded on. How can one embrace these things and become a part of American society of you can't even communicate? You are completely shut off from the rest of society if that happens, and can't become of a part of the American society at all if you can't speak English. It's impossible. As far as culture, etc. that you want to hold on to, that's fine and dandy, and certainly can be done while speaking English.

[motivez]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Aside from being born here or legally beocming a citizen, the fact that you embrace the ideals that the US was founded on.

I believe I've made this point in multiple other threads, and I seem to remember you disagreeing with me.

I don't know that "everyone speaking the same language" is an ideal the country was founded on though.