Now the GOP has a gay 'problem'?

[KatKanPlay]

The Dems know who the gays are but the Repubs dont? I found no article pointing to some diabolical plot for the Dems to expose gay Repubs.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by dpakman91

"Viewpoint: The GOP's Gay Problem" has nothing to do with liberals and them not accepting homosexuals.

The way it is worded sends very different implications to the casual reader. That is merely the point. The article is very different from the way they word the link.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

The Dems know who the gays are but the Repubs dont? I found no article pointing to some diabolical plot for the Dems to expose gay Repubs.

Let's think for a second; what exactly would the purpose of liberals passing around a list of gay republicans be? Can you think of any reason?

[Thorgrim]

who is "they" You think Rahm Emanuel is gay or something and running around with this list?

evidence, not speculation and conjecture

from what ive heard, its Republicans running around with this list

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

who is "they" You think Rahm Emanuel is gay or something and running around with this list?

evidence, not speculation and conjecture

from what ive heard, its Republicans running around with this list

Instead of going on 'what you've heard', try reading the links I posted?

[KatKanPlay]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Let's think for a second; what exactly would the purpose of liberals passing around a list of gay republicans be? Can you think of any reason?

Expose hypocrisy maybe?

The only list I can find referenced in your article link is this:

we hear about religious right lobbyists compiling lists of gay congressional staffers demanding that they be fired.

The comment you made following the link is not supported by the article or any other links I find there. Am I missing something?

I can still find nothing, and I have read the damn thing 3 times now, about Democrats going on a witch/gay hunt in an effort to expose gay republicans to the world.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Instead of going on 'what you've heard', try reading the links I posted?

See katkan's post about conservatives trying to find the "list" and running around with it

[IminWonderland]

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

Im not so sure about his statement as I think you are either gay or your not and there is nothing vague about it. However....

I was referring to the Kinsey Homosexuality - Heterosexuality Spectrum.
The Kinsey Institute - Sexuality Information Links - FAQ - Kinsey Sexuality Rating Scale [Related Resources]

He makes a very interesting arguement in regards to having a level of Homosexuality.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

Expose hypocrisy maybe?

The only list I can find referenced in your article link is this:



The comment you made following the link is not supported by the article or any other links I find there. Am I missing something?

I can still find nothing, and I have read the damn thing 3 times now, about Democrats going on a witch/gay hunt in an effort to expose gay republicans to the world.

I don't know why it's so difficult for you guys to read the links I provide. Allow me to spell everything out for you:

Foley, Gay Republicans, And The List - Public Eye

Corn, a liberal, says he will not publish The List, even though he has a copy. Here's his conclusion:

Let's be clear about one thing: the Mark Foley scandal is not about homosexuality. Some family value conservatives are suggesting it is. But anytime a gay Republican is outed by events, a dicey issue is raised: what about those GOPers who are gay and who serve a party that is anti-gay? Are they hypocrites, opportunists, or just confused individuals? Is it possible to support a party because you adhere to most of its tenets--even if that party refuses to recognize you as a full citizen? The men on The List might want to think hard about these questions--as they probably already have--for if I have a copy of The List, there's a good chance it will be appearing soon on a website near everyone.

EDGE Boston :: Gay Boston :: News :: GLBT

In his blog, David Corn (David Corn) reported: "There’s a list going around. ...It’s a roster of top-level Republican congressional aides who are gay. CBS News on Tuesday...reported that there’s anger among House Republicans at what an unidentified House GOPer called a ’network of gay staffers and gay members who protect each other and did the Speaker a disservice.’ The implication is that these gay Republicans somehow helped page-pursuing Mark Foley before his ugly (and possibly illegal) conduct was exposed. The List - drawn up by gay politicos - is a partial accounting of who on Capitol Hill might be in that network."

In The Corner, a National Review Online blog, John Podhoretz reported Oct. 5 that the list includes nine chiefs of staffs, two press secretaries, and two directors of communications. If the list is accurate, Podhoretz wrote, "it shows that some of the religious right’s favorite representatives and senators have gay staffers helping them advance their political careers and agendas."

There are a ton more links that all talk about this; why has this been so hard to read and understand?

[KatKanPlay]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

I don't know why it's so difficult for you guys to read the links I provide. Allow me to spell everything out for you:

Foley, Gay Republicans, And The List - Public Eye



EDGE Boston :: Gay Boston :: News :: GLBT



There are a ton more links that all talk about this; why has this been so hard to read and understand?

I didnt find these links in your initial post.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

I didnt find these links in your initial post.

http://www.libertylounge.net/forums/44911-post20.html

[nbiggershaft]

"The senders--gay people of a non-Republican bent--seem to be hoping to set off a civil war within the GOP, to turn the anti-gay social cons against the GOP's Velvet Mafia. These Washington gays have been seething for years about gay Republican staffers who serve a party that opposes gay rights and that welcomes the support of people who demonize or dehumanize gays and lesbians. "Maybe now the social conservatives will realize one reason why their agenda is stalled on Capitol Hill," says a gay politico. Another says, "The inherent inconsistency of a coalition that shelters both gay loathing 'Christian' conservatives and conservative gays will soon suffer its final rupture.""

So gay people are trying to point out hypocrites in the GOP and it becomes an underhanded democrat trick?

Or are you just saying gay= liberal = democrat. Therefor it is the democratic agenda.

[Kytro]

It would be naive to believe that Democrats wouldn't use Republicans as being gay as a weapon if they could.

Politicans are constantly trying to discredit others. This is because it is often more effectictive than trying to push your own platform.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by nbiggershaft

So gay people are trying to point out hypocrites in the GOP and it becomes an underhanded democrat trick?

Or are you just saying gay= liberal = democrat. Therefor it is the democratic agenda.

The blogger who happened upon this list is a liberal, and although he claims he won't post it himself, 'predicts' we'll be seeing it soon enough on a 'website near you'.

[nbiggershaft]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

The blogger who happened upon this list is a liberal, and although he claims he won't post it himself, 'predicts' we'll be seeing it soon enough on a 'website near you'.

So again, him being a liberal means that he is executing the wishes of the democratic leadership?

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by nbiggershaft

So again, him being a liberal means that he is executing the wishes of the democratic leadership?

I've not said anything about the leadership. I've only said liberals and Democrats. I don't care where exactly in the party they fit in.

[nbiggershaft]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

I've not said anything about the leadership. I've only said liberals and Democrats. I don't care where exactly in the party they fit in.

It said active gays though, not democrats.

[KatKanPlay]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

The blogger who happened upon this list is a liberal, and although he claims he won't post it himself, 'predicts' we'll be seeing it soon enough on a 'website near you'.

This is better than the swiftboaters IMO!

I finally located the damn list.....

[KatKanPlay]

At some point in time Republicans are going to have to except the fact that there are many gay conservatives out there in terms of economic as well as social government funded programs.

The sooner we all recognizes gay citizens are vital (talent ignorant of race, gender, sex, ethnicity) citizens, and their unions deserve the same recognition under the law as any other citizen, the sooner we can get all this gay bullshit out of our faces everyday.

[Thorgrim]

cqpolitics is pretty conservative (with how they conduct numbers not politically, they are nonpartisan)

Right now they have the Dems winning the House,
206 seats leaning Democrat, 14 tossups...but 9 of those tossups are so Blue its just them dragging their feet
-Everyone knows Strickland's old seat is going to be won back, Cook doesn't even rate it and CQ has it as a tossup
-CO7, PA6, IA1, PA10 (R there strangled his mistress almost to death), Bob Ney's recently resigned seat, one of the CT seats will flip and at least 2 out of the 3 of the Indiana tossup seats are going to flip

That's 215, ding ding ding

Also, this assumes Republicans hold all the 50 other seats that aren't safe, and I assume what the Dems flip on there, will easily be matched by the fact that cook only has 19 Dem seats for play in total, and only 3 of them seriously