So some criminals can't vote - Page 2

DosEquis · 10-09-2006, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by hsmith

How is the right to vote more important than the right to defend your life?

They should have thought about the right to defend their life, aka right to own weapons, before they robbed someone at gun point. As part of their punishment they had to serve X amount of days/years in jail and forfieted that right.

In a general sense I think all of the rights are equal in value. Punishment for felony armed robbery will involve losing general freedom serving 3 years in prison, followed by losing the right to own a weapon ever again, for life. I don't see why they would not be able to vote again after they serve their time, especially since their crime did not involve anything with elections, voting, or the democratic process.

kinggovernor · 10-09-2006, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

You show me a man that opposes a convicted felon's right to vote, and I'll show you a man that has never met a convicted felon.

you are assuming too much

kinggovernor · 10-09-2006, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

Why?

because I would prefer that they don't. Convicted felons are at the bottom of society and I prefer they stay that way

hsmith · 10-09-2006, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

because I would prefer that they don't. Convicted felons are at the bottom of society and I prefer they stay that way

Yeah, that attitude sure helps reform people and make them productive members of society.

hsmith · 10-09-2006, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by DosEquis

They should have thought about the right to defend their life, aka right to own weapons, before they robbed someone at gun point. As part of their punishment they had to serve X amount of days/years in jail and forfieted that right.

In a general sense I think all of the rights are equal in value. Punishment for felony armed robbery will involve losing general freedom serving 3 years in prison, followed by losing the right to own a weapon ever again, for life. I don't see why they would not be able to vote again after they serve their time, especially since their crime did not involve anything with elections, voting, or the democratic process.

If they are still a danger, keep them in jail. All rights should be restored once you serve your time.

If you can't trust someone to legally own a gun, what makes you think they won't use one illegally

kinggovernor · 10-09-2006, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by hsmith

Yeah, that attitude sure helps reform people and make them productive members of society.

My rights > their rights

Dumpy Dooby · 10-09-2006, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

because I would prefer that they don't.

We already established that... my question was, "WHY?" not "hey, will you reword your position?"

Convicted felons are at the bottom of society and I prefer they stay that way

Why would you consider them at the bottom of society?

Dumpy Dooby · 10-09-2006, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

you are assuming too much

How many do you know?

hsmith · 10-09-2006, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

My rights > their rights

kinggovernor · 10-09-2006, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

Why would you consider them at the bottom of society?

because they are serious criminals

kinggovernor · 10-09-2006, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by hsmith

being convicted as a felon is serious bidness

kinggovernor · 10-09-2006, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

How many do you know?

I prefer not to say, but probably more than anyone else on this board

hsmith · 10-09-2006, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

being convicted as a felon is serious bidness

Yes and people still threats should be in jail in actual programs that help them, not this gay liberal shit.

Give people a vocation and make them productive members of society.

IminWonderland · 10-09-2006, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

being convicted as a felon is serious bidness

The line between misdemeanor and felony is actually very thin. Especially when it comes to drug charges.

IminWonderland · 10-09-2006, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by hsmith

Yes and people still threats should be in jail in actual programs that help them, not this gay liberal shit.

Give people a vocation and make them productive members of society.

I believe one of the biggest failures of our system, is that we do not rehabilitate the criminal, and set them up for success when they come out. Instead they get institutionalized and being in jail becomes all they know.

hsmith · 10-09-2006, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

The line between misdemeanor and felony is actually very thin. Especially when it comes to drug charges.

Clearly someone convicted of distribution of pot is a danger to his life and should be hung at high noon.

kinggovernor · 10-09-2006, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by hsmith

Yes and people still threats should be in jail in actual programs that help them, not this gay liberal shit.

Give people a vocation and make them productive members of society.

I didn't say that they shouldn't recieve vocational training but I don't believe they should own a gun or vote

hsmith · 10-09-2006, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

I didn't say that they shouldn't recieve vocational training but I don't believe they should own a gun or vote

And why is that? Because you "fear" them?

hsmith · 10-09-2006, 12:41 PM

Again as I have said 20x, anyone that is a threat should be jailed until they are no longer a threat.

How can you be threatened by someone who isn't a threat

How is somoene convicted of tax evasion a danger to you?

IminWonderland · 10-09-2006, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by hsmith

Clearly someone convicted of distribution of pot is a danger to his life and should be hung at high noon.

Yup, our priorities are in line with that respect.