So some criminals can't vote - Page 3

IminWonderland · 10-09-2006, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

I didn't say that they shouldn't recieve vocational training but I don't believe they should own a gun or vote

Criminals might vote themselves UNCRIMINALS!

kinggovernor · 10-09-2006, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

The line between misdemeanor and felony is actually very thin. Especially when it comes to drug charges.

larger amounts = felon

Dumpy Dooby · 10-09-2006, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

because they are serious criminals

The point of a correctional facility is to correct them. The law says that they are no longer a threat to society. Wouldn't you agree it's a little incongruent to say, "Oh, they've been corrected," and then say, "Well, they can't do such and such because they're still a threat to society"?

I prefer not to say, but probably more than anyone else on this board

You know none.

kinggovernor · 10-09-2006, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by hsmith

And why is that? Because you "fear" them?

because they proven themselves to not be able to function in society and follow our laws

kinggovernor · 10-09-2006, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

The point of a correctional facility is to correct them. The law says that they are no longer a threat to society. Wouldn't you agree it's a little incongruent to say, "Oh, they've been corrected," and then say, "Well, they can't do such and such because they're still a threat to society"?

then how come so many convicted felons break the law once they get out.

You know none.

ok

IminWonderland · 10-09-2006, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

because they proven themselves to not be able to function in society and follow our laws

This is funny.

Because in reality, none of us function in society. We all have our moments where we think about ourselves, we speed, we yell at other people, and we aren't perfect in society.

So, I suppose none of us should vote since we have all broken laws, and we have all put ourselves first ahead of society.

Dumpy Dooby · 10-09-2006, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

then how come so many convicted felons break the law once they get out.

Most of the ones that do that are on parole or probation.

IminWonderland · 10-09-2006, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

then how come so many convicted felons break the law once they get out.

ok

Because they were bored sitting in a cell for 10 years and need excitment.

You no know felons, I don't believe it, either you know OF them, but you don't know them.

Repeat Offenders keep doing crimes for ALOT of reasons. One of those reasons is lack of correction in the correctional facility.

Scrum · 10-09-2006, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

My rights > their rights

Scrum · 10-09-2006, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

then how come so many convicted felons break the law once they get out.

Because the jails are overcrowded and they are released too soon.

Dumpy Dooby · 10-09-2006, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

Because the jails are overcrowded and they are released too soon.

Felons don't generally go to jail; they go to prisons.

Jails are for detaining or detention. Prisons are for correction. This isn't absolute by any means.

On a side note: Washington has started putting correctional programs in their detention facilities, which has done a great job at detouring criminals. It works great for the repeat offenders because they just keep continuing their rehabilitation program as soon as they get back into jail. It's been very successful.

kinggovernor · 10-09-2006, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

This is funny.

Because in reality, none of us function in society. We all have our moments where we think about ourselves, we speed, we yell at other people, and we aren't perfect in society.

So, I suppose none of us should vote since we have all broken laws, and we have all put ourselves first ahead of society.

that is the difference between a misdemeanor and a felony

kinggovernor · 10-09-2006, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

Most of the ones that do that are on parole or probation.

point?

DosEquis · 10-09-2006, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by hsmith

If they are still a danger, keep them in jail. All rights should be restored once you serve your time.

If you can't trust someone to legally own a gun, what makes you think they won't use one illegally

I agree, if they are still dangerous keep them in jail.

If they are a repeat offender, it makes the next crime have even a more significant punishment. Not only because it is your second armed robbery, but you did it while you were not supposed to own weapons.

Again, part of punishment for a felony class violent crime is the time they serve AND the forfiet of the right to own a gun for their life. That is part of the punishment, dangerous after the get out or not. They should have considered the consequences before threatening to kill someone or killing someone.

I do not have a problem with them being able to vote after they get out of prison, because in the violent crime case, the right to vote has nothing to do with the crime they did.

People who are in on felony drug charges, with no violent history, I have no issue with them after they serve their time. I think they are just fine to vote and own weapons again as their crime was not related.

Scrum · 10-09-2006, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

Felons don't generally go to jail; they go to prisons.

Jails are for detaining or detention. Prisons are for correction. This isn't absolute by any means.

On a side note: Washington has started putting correctional programs in their detention facilities, which has done a great job at detouring criminals. It works great for the repeat offenders because they just keep continuing their rehabilitation program as soon as they get back into jail. It's been very successful.

You know damned well what I meant.

Dumpy Dooby · 10-09-2006, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

point?

I said ... "People should only lose the right to vote while they're being punished (during probation, parole, jail/prison time, manditory rehab, etc.)."

And two out of the other three people that are arguing with you have agreed with that position. Hence, no voting until after probation/parole.

Point: We're not suggesting that people be allowed to vote as soon as they get released. We're suggesting that people be allowed to vote once they've been declared, "corrected." Parole is just a step toward correction. I thought that was made rather clear already, but I suppose I probably gave you too much credit.

Dumpy Dooby · 10-09-2006, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

You know damned well what I meant.

Prisons aren't really over-crowded ... so I honestly thought you meant "jail," not "prison."

kinggovernor · 10-09-2006, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

Because they were bored sitting in a cell for 10 years and need excitment.

You no know felons, I don't believe it, either you know OF them, but you don't know them.

Repeat Offenders keep doing crimes for ALOT of reasons. One of those reasons is lack of correction in the correctional facility.

I care more about protecting myself and the rest of society from convicted felons then wondering why they continue to break the law.

Dumpy Dooby · 10-09-2006, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

I care more about protecting myself and the rest of society from convicted felons then wondering why they continue to break the law.

Why do you need protection from convicted felons?

Obviously you really don't know any...

kinggovernor · 10-09-2006, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

I said ... "People should only lose the right to vote while they're being punished (during probation, parole, jail/prison time, manditory rehab, etc.)."

And two out of the other three people that are arguing with you have agreed with that position. Hence, no voting until after probation/parole.

Point: We're not suggesting that people be allowed to vote as soon as they get released. We're suggesting that people be allowed to vote once they've been declared, "corrected." Parole is just a step toward correction. I thought that was made rather clear already, but I suppose I probably gave you too much credit.

Being convicted of a felony will result in a lifetime of punishment.