If There Was No Bible...

[Kytro]

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

An eye for an eye does the exact opposite of urging restraint. Turn the other cheek urges restraint.

No. An eye for an eye is supposed to be the maximum penalty one can extract, not the minimum or mandatory.

It is supposed to stop you kill my wife, so I kill your whole family sort of reactions

[cleverest]

Originally Posted by lew

The Bible speaks of those that have never heard of Christ. These people are then not required to adhere either to Jewish law or Christian principles. However, they are accountable to their own conscience and to Nature's Law and God. God said He would write His Law upon people's hearts - no Bible is required.

I don't believe in Ultimate Reconciliation (the belief that all are saved) but I also don't agree with mainstream Christianity that says that God will damn billions of souls to hell that have never had the chance to hear of him.

Hey Lew,

For the sake of other's here (I know YOU know this already from the other forum...) but....I do believe the bold statement and your following one too.

Except there is one important variation on your definition of universal reconciliation that I would accept only: "the belief that all will be saved". instead of are saved. I believe scripture teaches that nobody is saved NOW, including those God calls now to Him. It's always stated in the Hebrew and Greek as "will be saved" OR the SAVED words used in some passages are always in the Aroist (present) tense (aka: being saved)...it's a PROCESS....

Our salvation comes to a head at judgement, which produces a positive result, much more dramatic and effective then our own flawed (and yet aiming to be positive) judicial system.....think about it....is our own criminal system and operation aiming for a higher standard then God's own?

Ecc 3:17 I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for [there is] a time there for every purpose and for every work.

True.

[cleverest]

Originally Posted by Diamond Cross

Thios question is for Christians.

Do you think that if there was no Bible, could you find out about God and still be a Christian? Or is it impossible to be a Christian without having the Bible?

Scripture doesn't just exist to call Christians... it also blinds the perceptions of those God is not calling and those that He isn't revealing what it teaches....It really is a "two-edged" sword.

But in short, ya I believe you can be a Christian without scripture if God wills it....I mean...IT IS GOD not man who chooses anyways.

Jhn 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw [Greek: 'DRAG', it's used in Peter concerning fishing with a net...] him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

But that isn't the way it is, we do have it, and we should focus on it and not organized religion with it's thousand denominations and factions...that's my opinion.