Sad anecdotal state of economy - Page 2

Thorgrim · 10-14-2006, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

no shit because I worked my ass off. I had to start working in some form or fashion from a very young because we were dirt freakin' poor. When I turned 16 I got a "real" job and quit mowing lawns, quit doing work at my Grandma's business and started working for Best Buy for 6 bucks an hour. I've been on the bottom. Not working is ridiculous and represents many things that are wrong with our society, starting with the entitlement mentality of "I'll mooch of tax payers instead of working".

because everyone is as physically capable and intelligent as you? no exceptions

Wow, you worked for Best Buy, those must have been trying times

JaJae · 10-14-2006, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

So if one of your friends was shown an ID by a girl saying she was 18, turns out she was 17 and the age of consent was 18, what say you, 5-10 years of hard labor in the salt mines? Send them to US bases for water torture?

Depends on the crime and the circumstance. I think you're being a bit dramatic. But yes, prison should be a worse experience than being poor as far as I'm concerned. Take that as you will.

Thorgrim · 10-14-2006, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

Depends on the crime and the circumstance. I think you're being a bit dramatic. But yes, prison should be a worse experience than being poor as far as I'm concerned. Take that as you will.

Well being being a decades ago meant malnutrition and the diseases that come with it...pretty common in Chinese prisons

Is that what you're advocating?

JaJae · 10-14-2006, 05:47 PM

Well being being a decades ago meant malnutrition and the diseases that come with it...pretty common in Chinese prisons

Is that what you're advocating?

Yes Thorgrim, that's exactly what I'm advocating. Let's turn our prisons into a third world concentration camp. Somehow you managed to find the hidden truth in my post.

Thorgrim · 10-14-2006, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

Yes Thorgrim, that's exactly what I'm advocating. Let's turn our prisons into a third world concentration camp. Somehow you managed to find the hidden truth in my post.

China has one the best economies in the world, if not the fastest growing...they have a top military...

They would never...under any circumstance, be called a third world country or be running third world concentration camps (whatever that means, I guess the Germans ran first world concentration camps?)

JaJae · 10-14-2006, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

China has one the best economies in the world, if not the fastest growing...they have a top military...

They would never...under any circumstance, be called a third world country or be running third world concentration camps (whatever that means, I guess the Germans ran first world concentration camps?)

"decades ago"

You're own words.

Do a Google search for Chinese prison camps. I assumed this is what you were referring to since you mentioned malnutrition and decades ago. I guess too much credit was given.

Regardless, this is a very silly debate. It really depends on which definition of third world you use. But if you look at China in the mid-50s it can definitely be considered third world.

KatKanPlay · 10-14-2006, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

no shit because I worked my ass off. I had to start working in some form or fashion from a very young because we were dirt freakin' poor. When I turned 16 I got a "real" job and quit mowing lawns, quit doing work at my Grandma's business and started working for Best Buy for 6 bucks an hour. I've been on the bottom. Not working is ridiculous and represents many things that are wrong with our society, starting with the entitlement mentality of "I'll mooch of tax payers instead of working".

And you dont know that he didnt do the same thing. He is many many years older than you. You dont know what life has thrown his way, be very careful how you judge, you are not immune to a swift kick in the nuts of life.

JaJae · 10-14-2006, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

And you dont know that he didnt do the same thing. He is many many years older than you. You dont know what life has thrown his way, be very careful how you judge, you are not immune to a swift kick in the nuts of life.

Who is older than who here?

KatKanPlay · 10-15-2006, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by JaJae

Who is older than who here?

The gentleman in the article is old enough to be Speeds grandfather.

6SpeedTA95 · 10-15-2006, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

because everyone is as physically capable and intelligent as you? no exceptions

Wow, you worked for Best Buy, those must have been trying times

You happened to miss the rest of the post?

6SpeedTA95 · 10-15-2006, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

And you dont know that he didnt do the same thing. He is many many years older than you. You dont know what life has thrown his way, be very careful how you judge, you are not immune to a swift kick in the nuts of life.

You dont opt out of working because its difficult or hard to pay the bills.

KatKanPlay · 10-15-2006, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

You dont opt out of working because its difficult or hard to pay the bills.

And I couldnt agree with you more!!

Although his method is questionable, all I am saying is we dont know yet why he is in the position he is in at this moment. You have only been an adult for what 10 yrs? And it sounds to me that you have an excellent start, but in the blink of an eye, things occur beyond your control and your life is forever changed. We simply dont know why he is where he is at.

It could be that if he takes a lower paying job at this point, and has paid into the system all his life, it may very well screw him out of benefits when he does retire in 2 years. The SS benefits that you receive when you retire are determined by the wage you made during the last few quarters you worked. In his mind it may be that going to prison for 2 years with a 3 hots and a cot, is worth what his SS benefits will be for the rest of his life.

6SpeedTA95 · 10-15-2006, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

And I couldnt agree with you more!!

Although his method is questionable, all I am saying is we dont know yet why he is in the position he is in at this moment. You have only been an adult for what 10 yrs? And it sounds to me that you have an excellent start, but in the blink of an eye, things occur beyond your control and your life is forever changed. We simply dont know why he is where he is at.

It could be that if he takes a lower paying job at this point, and has paid into the system all his life, it may very well screw him out of benefits when he does retire in 2 years. The SS benefits that you receive when you retire are determined by the wage you made during the last few quarters you worked. In his mind it may be that going to prison for 2 years with a 3 hots and a cot, is worth what his SS benefits will be for the rest of his life.

SS benefits are determined by your LIFETIME contributions to the system not the last three quarters of work.

There's no excuse for simply not wanting to work and choosing to mooch. Sorry there's no excuse for it. If you have a disability and can't work thats different then saying "well I dont wanna work a min wage job becuase its a shitty job it will suck and I will never get ahead, so I'll mooch".

KatKanPlay · 10-15-2006, 02:24 PM

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SS benefits are determined by your LIFETIME contributions to the system not the last three quarters of work.

At what rate those contributions are distributed to you depends on the wage you made the last few quarter, (dad cant remember how many), does determine the amount of your monthly check.

There's no excuse for simply not wanting to work and choosing to mooch. Sorry there's no excuse for it. If you have a disability and can't work thats different then saying "well I dont wanna work a min wage job becuase its a shitty job it will suck and I will never get ahead, so I'll mooch".

If he paid into the system all his life, how can you call it mooching? I am by no means condoning what he is doing.. Im just throwin out the suggestion that he very well may be playing the system. The Dirty Bastard!

6SpeedTA95 · 10-15-2006, 02:39 PM

[quote=KatKanPlay;48256]

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

At what rate those contributions are distributed to you depends on the wage you made the last few quarter, (dad cant remember how many), does determine the amount of your monthly check.

If he paid into the system all his life, how can you call it mooching? I am by no means condoning what he is doing.. Im just throwin out the suggestion that he very well may be playing the system. The Dirty Bastard!

He paid into the system, so if he's unemployed he'd get unemployment to find another job or get educated. If he died his wife would get spousal benefits. The system is working, sometimes we dont get to take advantage of all of it. In fact the better off you are the less likely you are to reap the benefits of the social safety nets we have in place. I think we need a safety net but I hope I never have to use it. This guy is going out of his way to cheat the system and even avoid the safety nets. He can get a job, he's chosing not to...part of the problem is prison/jail is a joke. These guys dont need cable tv 8 hrs a day, they need hard labor 8 hrs a day.

Kytro · 10-15-2006, 10:35 PM

I can see the fundamental attribution error at work again, as per usual.

The idea that decisions people make are more to do with the type of person they are than circumstances.

There could be a myriad of conditions and situation that made the man believe this was his best option.

This assumption that he is lazy really has no backing

Thorgrim · 10-15-2006, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by Kytro

I can see the fundamental attribution error at work again, as per usual.

The idea that decisions people make are more to do with the type of person they are than circumstances.

There could be a myriad of conditions and situation that made the man believe this was his best option.

This assumption that he is lazy really has no backing

It makes people feel better about themselves for being mediocre

6SpeedTA95 · 10-15-2006, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

It makes people feel better about themselves for being mediocre

By wanting to go to jail instead of working? how does that make someone feel better about themselves?

Thorgrim · 10-15-2006, 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

By wanting to go to jail instead of working? how does that make someone feel better about themselves?

I was refering to his last point about why people make assumptions of him being "lazy" or some other nonsense

6SpeedTA95 · 10-15-2006, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

I was refering to his last point about why people make assumptions of him being "lazy" or some other nonsense

Ooops, my bad, been a long day, been reading some books and revising a paper so my brain is kinda poop right now