A Question to the Religious

[JDTC]

There was a question asked by Bill Maher in his movie "Religulous" that, I think, posed a very good point. What Maher proposed was that the Bible plagiarized religious tales that had circulated the Mediterranean belief systems for thousands of years beforehand.

"We've got Krishna, a thousand years before Christ. Krishna was a carpenter, born of a virgin, baptized in a river... The Persian god Mithra 600 years before Christ, born on December 25th, preformed miracles, ressurected on the third day, known as the Lamb, the Way, the Truth, the Light, the Savior, Messiah..."

And Maher's film cites the Egyptian Book of the Dead: "Horus is the son of the god Osiris, born to a virgin mother. He was baptized in a river by Anup the Baptizer, who was later beheaded. Like Jesus, Horus was tempted while alone in the desert, healed the sick, the blind, cast out demons, and walked on water. He raised 'Asar' from the dead. 'Asar' translates to 'Lazarus'. Oh yeah, he also had 12 disciples. Yes, Horus was crucified first and after 3 days, two women announced Horus, the savior of humanity, had been resurrected."

He never really got a straight answer from the people he posed this to. "Well, I believe in God", or "But the Bible is the word of God". So I'm posting this here because I want a true, honest answer or reaction to this from people of faith.

[Photon1001]

ever seen the Zeitgeist movie? Now bear in mind that 99% or better of the second part on, all about 9-11 conspiracies and stuff has been thoroughly disproved and debunked. Also the first part which Bill and you allude too, while generally correct, in the Zeitgeist movie, is frequently misquoted and misrepresented. Now, why would someone who wants to "prove" that religion is being used as a control mechanism by a secretive elite make such a sloppy film? Really make ya think, doesn't it.

Personally, I can't help but wonder why we should care about something that was written 1000 or 2000 years ago, no matter how much resemblance it may have to something written 3000 or 4000 years ago. I can't help but wonder what's so bad about living in 2009? Why must ppl feel such a constant need to retreat to some land of the past's made-up history so badly that they then take that be their reality?

[HughRuss]

Originally Posted by JDTC

He never really got a straight answer from the people he posed this to. "Well, I believe in God", or "But the Bible is the word of God". So I'm posting this here because I want a true, honest answer or reaction to this from people of faith.

The closest he came to an answer with a pulse was when the kid at Jesus' Neverland started talking about Luke Skywalker, and how his life followed an archetype story (particularly that of Jesus, or Horus, if you wish). Unfortunately for the artard that spoke it, the answer confirmed Maher's point, rather than refuted it.

Another good question for the religious:
Why do you still choose to believe something that has absolutely no founding in reality? Regardless of what science has thrown at the Beeble, it has remained steadfast in the hearts of Christians abroad that it is the divine inspiration, and the accounts based upon human interactions with a magical creature that still has yet to present any evidence of itself. I have used this equivocation a lot, but why don't we all start "believing" in Captain Ahab? Why don't we just all jump on the faith in DeLarge train?

[Dispatcher]

Originally Posted by HughRuss

The closest he came to an answer with a pulse was when the kid at Jesus' Neverland started talking about Luke Skywalker, and how his life followed an archetype story (particularly that of Jesus, or Horus, if you wish). Unfortunately for the artard that spoke it, the answer confirmed Maher's point, rather than refuted it.

Another good question for the religious:
Why do you still choose to believe something that has absolutely no founding in reality? Regardless of what science has thrown at the Beeble, it has remained steadfast in the hearts of Christians abroad that it is the divine inspiration, and the accounts based upon human interactions with a magical creature that still has yet to present any evidence of itself. I have used this equivocation a lot, but why don't we all start "believing" in Captain Ahab? Why don't we just all jump on the faith in DeLarge train?

Well, I might as well chime in, since I'm probably the only Christian residing on this forum. At various times in my life, I have been an atheist, an agnostic, and a Christian. To answer your question "Why do you still choose to believe something that has absolutely no founding in reality?", the answer depends on whether you are asking about the belief in God or the belief in the Bible. It also depends on who you ask. Obviously, some people were brought up to believe in a certain religion by their parents.
Some people just want to believe, because it gives them comfort and hope.
As for myself, I was not raised in a strongly religious family, nor did I come to believing in God by some giant leap of faith.
I am, by nature, an inquisitive and logical minded person. I also possess an IQ of 130. My belief in God was the culmination of several years of research into a subject I had a great deal of curiosity and fascination about....the paranormal...specifically ghosts, poltergeists, spirits, hauntings and any supernatural phenomena. There is a lot of evidence out there (photos, film footage, electromagnetic readings, etc), and research done by respected people in the paranormal field, that support the idea of life after death in some spiritual form. There is also the numerous accounts of an out of body experience by people who were near death or had died and were revived, that if believed, indicate life after death (though some claim this phenomena is cause by oxygen deprivation in the brain).
A friend of mine who lives in Philly, has had such a near death experience and has went through an out of body experience after getting hit by lightning. He decribed to me how he left his body and felt peace and calm come over him. He also said he felt as though someone or some thing was giving him the choice whether to pass on or to come back to life.
He believes that it is all metaphysical. He may well be correct. But for me, there is also another possible explaination. God exists. He (or she or it) may not be the God of the bible, the Torah, or the Koran, or He may be.
In any case, one does not have to believe every word of the Bible to believe in God, although some parts of the bible have been shown to be historically accurate. Obviously, one does not have to believe in ANY holy book or doctrine to believe in God.
But if there are, in fact, invisable spirits around us, and it's purely metaphysical, how does an intelligent entity exist without a body or a brain? Or do they exist in another dimension?
And if they do exist (as I believe they do), then here is evidence of something spiritual that exists despite the fact that we can not usually see them nor feel their presence. And if that is true (as a lot of paranormal researchers believe), than it is not that great a leap to believe in a spirit that is powerful and omnipresent (God).
I myself have had two paranormal experiences in my life that I have tried very hard to explain away with logic....without success.
In one such case, I was sitting in my chair when I began to feel weightless, like I was floating. I then felt like some entity had entered my consciousness, and begun to communicate with me. Though I heard nothing with my ears, the messages were coming in loud and clear through my brain. Needless to say, this was both disturbing and fascinating.
I began to test it to find out who or what it was. I began to ask it questions that I knew I could not possibly know the answer to. It's answers blew me away. To this day, I still do not know what the entity was. Only that is was spiritual in nature.
Then, there is this....completely unscientific optimism. If there is a God, there is hope for mankind. If there is no God, then we are left to our own resources....our greed, our ignorance, our violent tendencies, and our lust for power, and are therefore doomed to destroy each other and possibly the planet as well.

[HughRuss]

Originally Posted by Dispatcher

Well, I might as well chime in, since I'm probably the only Christian residing on this forum. At various times in my life, I have been an atheist, an agnostic, and a Christian. To answer your question "Why do you still choose to believe something that has absolutely no founding in reality?", the answer depends on whether you are asking about the belief in God or the belief in the Bible. It also depends on who you ask. Obviously, some people were brought up to believe in a certain religion by their parents.

Claims made by the Bible, as well as the existence of a God.

Originally Posted by Dispatcher

Some people just want to believe, because it gives them comfort and hope.
As for myself, I was not raised in a strongly religious family, nor did I come to believing in God by some giant leap of faith.
I am, by nature, an inquisitive and logical minded person. I also possess an IQ of 130.

Goethe had an estimated 200+ IQ, and still held faith in a God, as well as in the religion of Islam (ironically enough). IQ doesn't speak about rationality, nor does it speak about religion.

Originally Posted by Dispatcher

My belief in God was the culmination of several years of research into a subject I had a great deal of curiosity and fascination about....the paranormal...specifically ghosts, poltergeists, spirits, hauntings and any supernatural phenomena. There is a lot of evidence out there (photos, film footage, electromagnetic readings, etc), and research done by respected people in the paranormal field, that support the idea of life after death in some spiritual form.

I'm going to quote an earlier poster on this forum.

When people ask you why you believe in God, you say ghosts?

In any event, the "supernatural" is a highly speculative, completely subjective, completely non-scientific area. The "studies" and "research" that has been conducted is tantamount to the Area 51 and Roswell bombast (I'm sure you 'believe' in that, too).

Originally Posted by Dispatcher

There is also the numerous accounts of an out of body experience by people who were near death or had died and were revived, that if believed, indicate life after death (though some claim this phenomena is cause by oxygen deprivation in the brain).

This very same phenomenon can be replicated in those who are deprived of oxygen. Out of body experiences have absolutely no bearing on "God's experience," as chemically they function like a dream.

Originally Posted by Dispatcher

A friend of mine who lives in Philly, has had such a near death experience and has went through an out of body experience after getting hit by lightning. He decribed to me how he left his body and felt peace and calm come over him.

One of two things:
1. He was paralyzed, oxygen deprived, and his body was slowly dying. You probably couldn't find a more peaceful melancholy.
2. Like all great stories, they accrue detail over time.

Originally Posted by Dispatcher

He also said he felt as though someone or some thing was giving him the choice whether to pass on or to come back to life.

Hallucinations are common.

Originally Posted by Dispatcher

He believes that it is all metaphysical. He may well be correct. But for me, there is also another possible explaination. God exists.

There's a gigantic disconnect in logic, especially for somebody who claims he is mightily logical and with a nearly genius IQ.

Originally Posted by Dispatcher

He (or she or it) may not be the God of the bible, the Torah, or the Koran, or He may be.

For a Christian, this isn't a very ecumenical statement.

Originally Posted by Dispatcher

In any case, one does not have to believe every word of the Bible to believe in God, although some parts of the bible have been shown to be historically accurate.

Geography has no bearing on Lazarus' raising from the dead.

Originally Posted by Dispatcher

Obviously, one does not have to believe in ANY holy book or doctrine to believe in God.
But if there are, in fact, invisable spirits around us, and it's purely metaphysical, how does an intelligent entity exist without a body or a brain? Or do they exist in another dimension?

Occam's Razor: They don't.

Originally Posted by Dispatcher

And if they do exist (as I believe they do), then here is evidence of something spiritual that exists despite the fact that we can not usually see them nor feel their presence.

Usually, or ever. I've wandered into many, many, many places that are "haunted." I, too, have watched those wannabe ethereal, pseudo-metaphysical haunting or spiritual television programs. There is not one single event that cannot be discounted as purely coincidental, or has some other cause or means behind it.

Unfortunately, the charade research presents itself as "strange happening, strange happening, strange happening, thus, My dead grandma floats about me on some interconnected ethereal plane, purely to send shivers down my back, and by extension, God exists and has a plan and so does Jesus."

Originally Posted by Dispatcher

And if that is true (as a lot of paranormal researchers believe), than it is not that great a leap to believe in a spirit that is powerful and omnipresent (God).
I myself have had two paranormal experiences in my life that I have tried very hard to explain away with logic....without success.
In one such case, I was sitting in my chair when I began to feel weightless, like I was floating.

Yes, when you feel like you're floating, you tend to be wavering between sleep and awakeness.

Originally Posted by Dispatcher

I then felt like some entity had entered my consciousness, and begun to communicate with me. Though I heard nothing with my ears, the messages were coming in loud and clear through my brain. Needless to say, this was both disturbing and fascinating.

What's also interesting about this state of mind is that you begin to enter the REM cycle prematurely. What happens during the REM cycle? Dreaming. Dreaming, oddly enough, can behave much like hallucinations.

Originally Posted by Dispatcher

I began to test it to find out who or what it was. I began to ask it questions that I knew I could not possibly know the answer to. It's answers blew me away. To this day, I still do not know what the entity was. Only that is was spiritual in nature.

Or completely in your mind, which would explain the answers.

Originally Posted by Dispatcher

Then, there is this....completely unscientific optimism. If there is a God, there is hope for mankind. If there is no God, then we are left to our own resources....our greed, our ignorance, our violent tendencies, and our lust for power, and are therefore doomed to destroy each other and possibly the planet as well.

This is the most sad argument for the existence of God I have ever heard. What hope is there for mankind if a God has created in his own image these beings, and vicariously has sanctioned the acts, transgressions, and obscenities that he has committed. What hope is there for humankind if a god created man with all of these vices? You seem to think that without a god, there is not humanity, or there is no love, or there is no good. That without a god, there is left nothing but depravity. Look at the good mankind has accomplished without the guiding hand of a mystical cloud chariot. On the other hand, look at the wake of destruction God has left by His very own account (see Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, amongst many others).

Faulkner was much better at stringing words together than I, so I yield to him:

Our tragedy today is a general and universal physical fear so long sustained by now that we can even bear it. There are no longer problems of the spirit. There is only the question: When will I be blown up? Because of this, the young man or woman writing today has forgotten the problems of the human heart in conflict with itself which alone can make good writing because only that is worth writing about, worth the agony and the sweat.

He must learn them again. He must teach himself that the basest of all things is to be afraid; and, teaching himself that, forget it forever, leaving no room in his workshop for anything but the old verities and truths of the heart, the old universal truths lacking which any story is ephemeral and doomed - love and honor and pity and pride and compassion and sacrifice. Until he does so, he labors under a curse. He writes not of love but of lust, of defeats in which nobody loses anything of value, of victories without hope and, worst of all, without pity or compassion. His griefs grieve on no universal bones, leaving no scars. He writes not of the heart but of the glands.

Until he relearns these things, he will write as though he stood among and watched the end of man. I decline to accept the end of man. It is easy enough to say that man is immortal simply because he will endure: that when the last dingdong of doom has clanged and faded from the last worthless rock hanging tideless in the last red and dying evening, that even then there will still be one more sound: that of his puny inexhaustible voice, still talking. I refuse to accept this. I believe that man will not merely endure: he will prevail. He is immortal, not because he alone among creatures has an inexhaustible voice, but because he has a soul, a spirit capable of compassion and sacrifice and endurance. The poet's, the writer's, duty is to write about these things. It is his privilege to help man endure by lifting his heart, by reminding him of the courage and honor and hope and pride and compassion and pity and sacrifice which have been the glory of his past. The poet's voice need not merely be the record of man, it can be one of the props, the pillars to help him endure and prevail.

[ChadLS]

Originally Posted by HughRuss

Another good question for the religious:
Why do you still choose to believe something that has absolutely no founding in reality? Regardless of what science has thrown at the Beeble, it has remained steadfast in the hearts of Christians abroad that it is the divine inspiration, and the accounts based upon human interactions with a magical creature that still has yet to present any evidence of itself. I have used this equivocation a lot, but why don't we all start "believing" in Captain Ahab? Why don't we just all jump on the faith in DeLarge train?

Because believing that we are something more than just animals is something that's hard for us Christians.

I don't like the thought that after we die our chemicals and fluids are drained into the Earth, where we will soon abide as well. Slowly rotting away in the ground, with no one to remember us for more than a short time and therefor our lives have had absolutely no impact on the world. Because even if you did something truly amazing while you alive (like curing cancer), we are all doomed to die eventually and everything you once did will be forgotten.

I've had a lot of coincidences in my life that just seem like more, like it was meant to happen. But I know I'm not going to change your minds, nor are you going to change mine.

[HughRuss]

Originally Posted by ChadLS

Because believing that we are something more than just animals is something that's hard for us Christians.

I don't like the thought that after we die our chemicals and fluids are drained into the Earth, where we will soon abide as well. Slowly rotting away in the ground, with no one to remember us for more than a short time and therefor our lives have had absolutely no impact on the world. Because even if you did something truly amazing while you alive (like curing cancer), we are all doomed to die eventually and everything you once did will be forgotten.

I know reality is hard to believe, and I know the truth hurts. But that is no excuse to remain in a deluded fantasy world. This is the very same thing as saying:
"I don't want to believe my girlfriend is cheating on me, so I'll assume she's not, and whenever I see her many liaisons, I'll explain it away with some convoluted rationalization"

If you must exist to create meaning in your life (as many existentialists believe, which is an interesting life philosophy coming from a religious person), then you have some 70 years to do so. Look what Einstein has done to shape your life, or Newton, or Aristotle, or Spinoza, or Lincoln, or Ghandi. All of these people have had fantastic influence on current day living, whether it be political policy, or philosophical. If changing the world is too big a thought for you, think of how you influence your children, and think of what they'll do for the world, or for their children at the least. Is it too much a thought in the American christian-individualist mind that what they do today might not matter for "eternity" but does have an impact on society? Is society too much of a 'now' concept?

It's astonishing to me that people still blatantly choose to hide behind such a tenuous aegis of 'ignorance is bliss.' It bothers me even more that these very people elect, and make policy decisions to keep the rest of the fearful and ignorant in line with more scripture.

Originally Posted by ChadLS

I've had a lot of coincidences in my life that just seem like more, like it was meant to happen. But I know I'm not going to change your minds, nor are you going to change mine.

You could change my mind if you presented a logical argument, one that refutes my position without rebuttal. But saying you "have faith" because the thought-otherwise is too scary is a pathetic position. Impressing meaning on something meaningless (as coincidences tend to be) is just as illogical. You can't honestly believe, "well, I saw Ted at the market, and now he's coming out of my house, and I've been meaning to ask him a question, and I didn't get the chance at the market, but now I can, thus there's a god, and he divinely intervened to allow me to ask this question."

[JDTC]

The only time I hate religion is when it's the cause for hatred, separation and ignorance. This is not always the case, though. If somebody quietly prays to God in the privacy of their own home and does not look down on those who have a different belief, and if they strive to live a life Christ would have them live, I see no reason at all to try and take that from them. When they aren't trying to force their morality down your throat, when they only use it to help them get through the day.

[LookingUp]

Originally Posted by JDTC

There was a question asked by Bill Maher in his movie "Religulous" that, I think, posed a very good point. What Maher proposed was that the Bible plagiarized religious tales that had circulated the Mediterranean belief systems for thousands of years beforehand.

Originally Posted by JDTC

"We've got Krishna, a thousand years before Christ. Krishna was a carpenter, born of a virgin, baptized in a river... The Persian god Mithra 600 years before Christ, born on December 25th, preformed miracles, ressurected on the third day, known as the Lamb, the Way, the Truth, the Light, the Savior, Messiah..."

And Maher's film cites the Egyptian Book of the Dead: "Horus is the son of the god Osiris, born to a virgin mother. He was baptized in a river by Anup the Baptizer, who was later beheaded. Like Jesus, Horus was tempted while alone in the desert, healed the sick, the blind, cast out demons, and walked on water. He raised 'Asar' from the dead. 'Asar' translates to 'Lazarus'. Oh yeah, he also had 12 disciples. Yes, Horus was crucified first and after 3 days, two women announced Horus, the savior of humanity, had been resurrected."

He never really got a straight answer from the people he posed this to. "Well, I believe in God", or "But the Bible is the word of God". So I'm posting this here because I want a true, honest answer or reaction to this from people of faith.

Rather than the writers of the Bible plagiarizing, I believe it is Satan inspiring similar, but counterfeit stories in every age and culture. God has revealed in His Word, His way to save humanity. He has been working throughout history and is still working in the present time to deliver any who desire from sin and death into true eternal freedom. Satan is the enemy of the Creator and men and women made in God’s image, therefore he uses every means and opportunity to confuse, twist, or attack the truth of what God is doing. This is very easily accomplished in the lives of people when the existence of the spiritual realm is denied. It was only when God let me encounter things beyond the physical into the spiritual realm that I realized I was not as autonomous and capable as I thought I was… I needed a savior, Jesus Christ. From my perspective now, to underestimate the power of malicious demonic beings out to destroy human life is very foolish, if not dangerous.
Naturalists, humanists, and materialists ridicule as you may, but it seems arrogant to me to think that we humans and only what we can see are all there is in the universe.

[JDTC]

Originally Posted by LookingUp

Rather than the writers of the Bible plagiarizing, I believe it is Satan inspiring similar, but counterfeit stories in every age and culture. God has revealed in His Word, His way to save humanity. He has been working throughout history and is still working in the present time to deliver any who desire from sin and death into true eternal freedom. Satan is the enemy of the Creator and men and women made in God’s image, therefore he uses every means and opportunity to confuse, twist, or attack the truth of what God is doing. This is very easily accomplished in the lives of people when the existence of the spiritual realm is denied. It was only when God let me encounter things beyond the physical into the spiritual realm that I realized I was not as autonomous and capable as I thought I was… I needed a savior, Jesus Christ. From my perspective now, to underestimate the power of malicious demonic beings out to destroy human life is very foolish, if not dangerous.
Naturalists, humanists, and materialists ridicule as you may, but it seems arrogant to me to think that we humans and only what we can see are all there is in the universe.

Thank you for responding... I have another question.

How are you so certain that Satan conjured the other stories to obfuscate belief in Christianity, and not the other way around? Can Christianity not be the counterfeit, and Egyptian mythos the true word of the God?

[HughRuss]

Originally Posted by LookingUp

Rather than the writers of the Bible plagiarizing, I believe it is Satan inspiring similar, but counterfeit stories in every age and culture. God has revealed in His Word, His way to save humanity.

Evidence? (Aside from a book that claims it is right)

Originally Posted by LookingUp

He has been working throughout history and is still working in the present time to deliver any who desire from sin and death into true eternal freedom. Satan is the enemy of the Creator and men and women made in God’s image, therefore he uses every means and opportunity to confuse, twist, or attack the truth of what God is doing. This is very easily accomplished in the lives of people when the existence of the spiritual realm is denied. It was only when God let me encounter things beyond the physical into the spiritual realm that I realized I was not as autonomous and capable as I thought I was… I needed a savior, Jesus Christ. From my perspective now, to underestimate the power of malicious demonic beings out to destroy human life is very foolish, if not dangerous.

So, Satan went back in time and planted Krishna, Horus, among the rest of the Mediterranean archetype stories that all mirror Jesus (who, you and I have both covered, most likely didn't exist) just to stray people from "God's word"?

Originally Posted by LookingUp

Naturalists, humanists, and materialists ridicule as you may, but it seems arrogant to me to think that we humans and only what we can see are all there is in the universe.

Yes, there is a high probability that extraterrestrial life exists in the galaxy, and the rest of the universe. But that'd completely kill the Bible story, so let's not acknowledge them.

[LookingUp]

Originally Posted by JDTC

Thank you for responding... I have another question.

Originally Posted by JDTC

How are you so certain that Satan conjured the other stories to obfuscate belief in Christianity, and not the other way around? Can Christianity not be the counterfeit, and Egyptian mythos the true word of the God?

I believe the Bible is truth rather than myth because the events are placed in real life, historical settings. The lives of individuals are protrayed authentically showing human strengths and flaws, often including, rather than hiding shortcomings of the authors themselves. The various books were written by 40 authors of diverse backgrounds over a time period of 1500 years, yet the they all come together in pointing to Jesus Christ as the Savior being their theme. Also, the amount of fulfilled prophecy, especially concerning Isreal. These reasons are a few among others which cause me to believe the bible is God's revealed word and it is Satan's aim to counterfeit and/or distort it.
These are my reasons and I don't expect anyone to agree or trust Jesus Christ or the bible, unless convinced in their own mind. I do believe that if a person sincerely wants to know whether or not God, Jesus, the bible are real, true or false the answer will be given.

[LookingUp]

Originally Posted by HughRuss

Evidence? (Aside from a book that claims it is right)

Originally Posted by HughRuss

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So, Satan went back in time and planted Krishna, Horus, among the rest of the Mediterranean archetype stories that all mirror Jesus (who, you and I have both covered, most likely didn't exist) just to stray people from "God's word"?

As a being in the eternal realm Satan did not have to go back in time.

Yes, there is a high probability that extraterrestrial life exists in the galaxy, and the rest of the universe. But that'd completely kill the Bible story, so let's not acknowledge them.

The only extraterrestrial life I acknowledge at this point is life in the spiritual realm.

[Photon1001]

Originally Posted by HughRuss

Yes, there is a high probability that extraterrestrial life exists in the galaxy, and the rest of the universe. But that'd completely kill the Bible story, so let's not acknowledge them.

Did you know that this is the official position of the United States military?

[HughRuss]

Originally Posted by LookingUp

The only extraterrestrial life I acknowledge at this point is life in the spiritual realm.

I asked for evidence for your belief in Satan traversing time to draw people toward the dark side. Otherwise it's a fabricated delusion-world, and thus worthless.

[LookingUp]

Originally Posted by Photon1001

Did you know that this is the official position of the United States military?

The official military position does not determine my veiw, other than to cause me to realize how big the deception really is. People want to believe that there is other life somewhere out there. I have read various reports of those who claim to have been contacted by aliens and /or seen UFO'S. The messages given from the advanced alien beings is suspiciously similiar to the teachings of new age gurus and that of Satan himself: you can be as God.
I am of the opinion that anything that appears as a UFO or an alien being is the deceptive work of demonic beings mascarading as visitors from outer space.

[Photon1001]

Originally Posted by LookingUp

The official military position does not determine my veiw, other than to cause me to realize how big the deception really is. People want to believe that there is other life somewhere out there. I have read various reports of those who claim to have been contacted by aliens and /or seen UFO'S. The messages given from the advanced alien beings is suspiciously similiar to the teachings of new age gurus and that of Satan himself: you can be as God.
I am of the opinion that anything that appears as a UFO or an alien being is the deceptive work of demonic beings mascarading as visitors from outer space.

its no secret that I use drugs too, btw...

[LookingUp]

Originally Posted by HughRuss

I asked for evidence for your belief in Satan traversing time to draw people toward the dark side. Otherwise it's a fabricated delusion-world, and thus worthless.

Originally Posted by HughRuss

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So, Satan went back in time and planted Krishna, Horus, among the rest of the Mediterranean archetype stories that all mirror Jesus (who, you and I have both covered, most likely didn't exist) just to stray people from "God's word"?


You really did not ask for evidence, but rather made a sarcastic statement with a question mark at the end. Anyway, I can't give you any evidence, especially since you don't accept existance of a spiritual realm in the first place. If you truly do want evidence God is capable of giving it to you. But I think you already have your mind made up. I can only give you my perspective. Satan did not have to go back in time to inspire lies because he is outside of our time frame. This means that from the spiritual/eternal realm he can see past, present and furture all at once.

[HughRuss]

Originally Posted by LookingUp

The official military position does not determine my veiw, other than to cause me to realize how big the deception really is. People want to believe that there is other life somewhere out there. I have read various reports of those who claim to have been contacted by aliens and /or seen UFO'S. The messages given from the advanced alien beings is suspiciously similiar to the teachings of new age gurus and that of Satan himself: you can be as God.

How exactly do you delineate between the works of Satan and those of Jesus Christ? The claims made by the followers of Christ sound strikingly familiar to those made by everybody you castigate as "Satan" or a disciple thereof.

Originally Posted by LookingUp

I am of the opinion that anything that appears as a UFO or an alien being is the deceptive work of demonic beings mascarading as visitors from outer space.

Which is why you should be regarded as a nutcase.

[Photon1001]

Originally Posted by HughRuss

I asked for evidence for your belief in Satan traversing time to draw people toward the dark side. Otherwise it's a fabricated delusion-world, and thus worthless.

How 'bout some non-anecdotal evidence that a "dark-side" even exists at all...