American Traitor convicted.. gets slap on wrist

[Kytro]

Originally Posted by JaJae

His decision was that since she was a lawyer and helped the poor he gave her a bullshit sentence. It had nothing to do with her crimes.

So you say, but the judge is a legal expert and is a better position that you are to decide what is appropriate.

The problem of course is that judges can be as prone to decding based on how they feel about something as anyone else can be.

Rules and guidelines are equally at risk (imposed via politics) og having "how people feel" influences.

What people feel and want isn't always what is effective and appropriate.

Originally Posted by JaJae

No, it's more like taking messages from a convicted mob boss and passing them off to his mobsters purposely enabling them to commit more murders.

You are assuming she was carrying the message to purposely get people killed.

I suppose it can be a fine distinction between telling someone something and knowing it may cause harm and doing it so it does cause harm.

[R-Type]

Originally Posted by JaJae

No, this is the kind of thinking that keeps criminals off the streets. See I want the criminals behind bars. You want the criminals on the streets. Hence you're of the thinking that keeps crime on the streets. I want them removed.

..and during that time he's in prison, others crop up in his place since the problems that lead to crime are still present in the area. Then guess what? these convicts' problems aren't resolved, so when they finally return to society, they're even less able to cope than they were before. what do we do to 'help' that? we brand them 'felons' and ensure they'll never work a good job in ther lives.. what do they do in return? go right back to crime again because they've got nothing to lose. How does this resolve anything? Does threat-of-punishment really work? Evidence says no, or by now we'd have almost zero crime. I agree, there are some who are so hopelessly malevolent that there is no other recourse but to put them away for life, but MOST criminals commit their crimes partly because of their environment. Ignoring this out of simple vengeance is a mistake that exacerbates the problem.

Originally Posted by JaJae

How can we solve racism? How through this case and letting her go free can we solve Islamo-fascism? How in the world am I being the judge, jury and executioner here? She had her judge and her jury. I'm just pissed off that her punishment was a disgrace to our judicial system. The difference here is you're talking about the judge, jury and executioner (justice). Well guess what, criminals need these things. That's why we have judges and juries and criminal punishments. You seem to think any warped individual responsible for the deaths of all these people should walk free because ... well why????? I have no idea. She essentially admits to her crimes. Has no remorse. Why are you willing to throw out the judge, jury and executioner?

It sure sounds like you want to be based on your post. if you had read my long post above, you'd know I was responding more to your emotion than her guilt or innocence. I tried to explain why it is not as black and white as you are choosing to view it.

Originally Posted by JaJae

Are you calling this woman a freedom fighter?

That depends on who you ask I guess. If I ask you, she's a terrorist. If I ask that sheik she was helping, he'd probably say she was doing allah's will or something. You already know what she said about her acts. In the post above I questioned our own morality as a country. Without that, our justice means nothing, locally or abroad.. The war hawks boil their blood talking about events like this, while completely ignoring their own part in it. We and other 'western' countries have laid waste to whole cities and toppled whole gov'ts over there, killing who knows how many innocents, and ruining the lives of countless more in the process.. Who's better? who's truely the righteous now? This moral ambiguity leads people like her, who are REALLY fired up as it is, to do the things they do.

I honestly can't tell anymore, and so I find I cant pass judgement on her either way. Freedom fighter? terrorist? sympathizer? murderer? Maybe 'misled' fits best because all the other terms are relative to who you ask.