Grandpa, Pregnant Mom Tasered at Baptism Party MANASSAS, Va. - Prince William County Police responded to a noise complaint at a child's baptism party. By the time they left, a grandfather and a pregnant woman had been Tasered. Victoria Advocate | Texas pastor protesting traffic stop arrested WEBSTER, Texas (AP) ...
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| Police Are Fun Grandpa, Pregnant Mom Tasered at Baptism Party
This one is a little two involved for the first line to sum it up, but the police go to arrest a man (rightfully), and do it by tasering him in the rectum and threatening to taser his nuts. Then, when they find out someone was recording it, they attempt to destroy the evidence. WISCONSIN STATE JOURNAL
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| It seems that they pretty much use those tools to get people to conform without hesitation. It is required that a police officer get tasered before they can use the taser. I think this gives them a false sense of security. They assume all other people are built the same and can withstand the shock from the taser. This is not entirely true, as tasers have been proven to kill people with weak hearts. I seem to recall reading something a few years ago where an officer tasered someone in the scrotum for not peeing in a cup at the hosiptal. | ||||
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| Originally Posted by The Great Catpiss Like babies in vitro.
A family member of mine is a cop, and he told me in his district (I specifically asked him about the pregnant woman) there is a police-statute, or a bylaw in their code of conduct, that prohibits the use of a taser on a pregnant woman specifically because of the safety and well-being of the child.
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| They are all such terrible people
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| I find people that hate the police often subscribe to the perfect solution fallacy For instance, your last story is about the police tasering a retarded man because he wouldn't leave the bathroom......seems pretty obvious until you think of what they did. The family is pissed because they said that the retarded man has the brain of a 10 year old, well then what the hell are you doing leaving him alone in a store's bathroom. What is the free market response for that? | ||||
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| Thirty years ago a friend of mine had a run in with the law. He weighed at least three hundred pounds, was a little over six feet tall, and strong as an ox. He was a hard drinker and one night was pulled over for DUI while driving his vintage Mustang. It was a city cop, and he was accompianed by another city cop. They arrested my friend and placed him in the back of the cruiser. Then they called for a towtruck. My friend asked that they not, and instead allow him to get a friend to pick up his car. They laughed at him, told him to shut-up, and they would do what they wanted to do. He told him, "I ain't no dumbass. I just kick the glass out, open the door, and jump the hell out." They laughed again, told him to go ahead and try. Smash, out goes the glass but at this point the cruiser is running down a fourlane highway at about seventy. The passenger is laughing hard and my friend goes, "Look here punk, I knock out that damn plexiglass and come up there and kick your ass". The passenger goes, "Go ahead big boy" BOOM, and then out pops the bolts holding in the plexiglass and it gives way. My friend said the passenger was trying to climb into the glovebox. They stop the cruiser and when my friend comes out other officers that had responded tagged his ass with a billyclub and he goes out cold. He comes to cuffed and on the way to the hospital. When they get there they proceed to take him to an elevator. He goes, "I ain't getting in that elevator" but they drag him in anyway, takes four of them. He is fighting it all the way knowing they going to beat him again when he gets in the elevator. The elevator door closes on the first floor and up it goes to the second. When the doors open on the second there is my friend standing, still cuffed. Around him lay four police officers, out cold. | ||||
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| Originally Posted by Winston So the moral of the story is that they should have tasered his balls the first time he acted up?
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| There isn't a moral, but if you looking for one I can give you a couple. First, a badge and a gun ain't going to give anyone the right to be an asshole. Second, no matter how bad you think you are, someone is bigger and badder. | ||||
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| Wait, the police were assholes? I'm sorry, I thought this story was about your buddy being the asshole. I mean, drinking and driving and then expecting the police to do him a favor? There isn't much worse in my book. | ||||
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| Originally Posted by Stylerod Yeah, I agree with Stylerod on this one.
Your buddy was acting like an all out prick. Legally, when police make arrests, they have to get the car off the road. According to many statutes, from what I understand, the best way for them to do this is by towing it off. Let's review the progression of events as I understand them: A. Your buddy was drunk, and speeding. B. The cops pulled him over for highway infractions, and noticed he was over the legal limit. C. They arrested him, as laws are supposed to go. D. Your buddy tells the police he's going to have a friend come and pick up his car, when the police are (more often than not) legally obligated to get the car off the road asap. E. The police do not oblige this request, and laugh at him, due to his seemingly intoxicated state. F. Your buddy proceeds to kick out the glass of his window in the police cruiser. G. Your buddy proceeds to kick out the Plexiglas barrier between him and the cops in front. H. Your buddy assaults an officer on the road. I. Your buddy is detained and knocked out cold with a billy club (call restraining when people are resisting arrest). J. Your buddy goes to the county (?) jail, is booked, and then assaults 4 more officers in the lobby. So, all-in-all, there was traffic violations, resisting, assault and battery, damage to the police cruiser, egregious assault, disturbance, and this is all before they brought him down to the jailhouse. How exactly are the cops to blame for such events? | ||||
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| Originally Posted by HughRuss +1 for everything said here. The police are often obligated to get cars off the road ASAP, especially state roads. And they can't wait around to see if someone picks up the car since his asshole of a friend got himself arrested.
The post was written as if he was bragging, which was quite disturbing. And the comment about police not arresting people bigger than them was beyond logical. I hope he spent some time in prison for that.
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| Originally Posted by Stylerod Yep, police were assholes.
First, long time ago, common practice was to have someone come and pick up the vehicle. Even today, they ain't exactly swarming to tow away those abandoned vehicles with the white towels hanging on the door parked on the service road of the interstate. Try again. Second, laughing and taunting kind of the same thing as asking for an asskicking where I come from. The spectator in the drivers seat did both. Third, what kind of hospital has the emergency room on the second floor? It was on the first, that was where he was stiched up--the second floor, that was the maternity ward. He was completely aware of that reality, as was the judge that dismissed the charges. The arrest was outside the jurisidiction of the officer, the spectator had no business being in the car, was off duty and there for entertainment purposes only, and the only possible reason to drag the agitated hoss into the elevator was to rough him up. So let me get this straight, screaming down the highway well in excess of the speed limit and weaving back and forth while taunting a drunk to go ahead and jump out the door with your off duty buddy laughing and joining in from the passenger seat is your idea of a professional policeman. Suckers more than had it coming. | ||||
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| Originally Posted by HughRuss Did I say he was "drunk" or that he was speeding? No, I said he was pulled over for driving while intoxicated--which means they "suspected it".
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| Originally Posted by Winston Yes, he was pulled over on suspicion. You have to do an awful lot to have somebody think you're intoxicated. Like swerving in and out of lanes, not driving in a straight path, not staying in one lane, or speeding --or a combination thereof.
Interestingly enough, police don't have to take somebody to jail to see whether or not they're drunk. See, there are these things called field sobriety checks, and any cop with half a brain would use such measures before hastily arresting somebody. In fact, there are a number of steps before an arrest is made, and they tend to follow the following pattern: 1. Suspicion of intoxication --the officer has suspicion to believe the driver is drunk. There are a number of factors that can contribute to this, and I listed the 4 most prevalent. 2. Investigation/further of suspicion --see, when people talk, they emit air through their trachea in order to make sounds. This is called breath. The interesting thing about breath is, if somebody has been consuming alcohol, the smell of rotting potatoes, grapes, or whatever else, happens to be on their breath more often than not. If the officer sees open bottles of liquor in the car, there is further suspicion. The following are criteria:
Now, you might say "Well dem po-po didn't do no FST on mah champ!" In that case, he acted like a moron, and given his temper --what with smashing windows and barriers-- it is more than likely that he decided to do so --which is, oddly enough, another symptom of alcohol consumption: being cocksure, although that can also be symptomatic of him just being himself. Originally Posted by Winston Cf. the above list. It takes a lot more than suspicion to inconvenience a driver enough to take him off the road, and have his vehicle towed (which, incidentally, costs money).
Given his story, yes, he complied to the letter of the law. Just like how OJ said he didn't do it. If the glove don't fit, you must acquit. Originally Posted by Winston Yes, they will. Trust me. They will. A tow-truck, if required, will take a Maserati off the road if they are required.
Originally Posted by Winston Yep, because you have to blame the bull-fighter for the bull's temper (when in reality, the blame falls on the shoulders of the people who cinch the clamp on his testicles).
Originally Posted by Winston Oh dear Christ. I thought this "defense" was eradicated from adult vernacular after being berated by your parents "Well, if Tommy told you to jump off a cliff, would you?" This is ridiculous, and you know it.
Originally Posted by Winston He broke through a barrier with malice. This would not hold up in court, and you know it.
Originally Posted by Winston Probably when he decided to break the law by destroying personal property and assaulting the officers.
Originally Posted by Winston Because if it's anything police do in elevators in hospitals, it's brutalize an already nearly-comatose person.
Originally Posted by Winston Yeah, he's totally innocent, which is why he decided to act in the manner he did. In any event, you're going off of his story. It sounds like a drummed up children's game of telephone, if you ask me, where the original story gets bigger and more grandiose, or in this case, begins to portray the subject in an increasingly better light, as time goes by.
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| Originally Posted by Winston I don't even believe your story is true
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| Originally Posted by Winston this never happened.
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| Originally Posted by HughRuss Funny as shit. The NHTSA was not even created until 1970, right around the time of the incident. The NHTSA created the FST AFTER 1970, So, thanks for the info on the FST, it means nothing,
This all happened in the area where this happened.
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